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Bona 09-23-2007 11:21 PM

99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
After 82 hands:
Table is 21/8.4 and running about 5BB pot size.
Tweedledee is 13.41/6.1/7.0
Tweedledum is 18.5/10.6/2.25

I am one of the players. Anybody go off base here?

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop:
Tweedledum is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Tweedledee is UTG+1 with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 :#A500AF(Tweedledee)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Tweedledum 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 :#A500AF(Tweedledee)/ calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Tweedledee bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Tweedledum raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Tweedledee 3-bets</font>, Tweedledum calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Tweedledee bets</font>, Tweedledum calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Tweedledee bets</font>, Tweedledum calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

BigBadBabar 09-23-2007 11:25 PM

Re: 99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
seems okay to me

bennyhana 09-23-2007 11:36 PM

Re: 99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
both players played well.

what's your question?

Bulletproof Monk 09-23-2007 11:52 PM

Re: 99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
tweedledum played fine

tweedledee.... not so much

Point Blank 09-23-2007 11:54 PM

Re: 99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
Tweedledee with his 7.0 AF should be bet/foldy

I would think 77 is just out of his PFR range ... and he PFR'ed and called your 3bet ...

so I would think Tweedledee's hand is genenerally TT-88 almost all the time

so - since he seems like a folder I could cap the flop and fold to further aggression

hand would play out:
flop:
he donk, you raise (you really could be rasing overs here),
he 3bet ... TT-88 ... small chance of AA or 77
you cap

turn
1
he leads ... I could fold after showing that much aggression; but, I could call here and maybe fold if he bets the river (or not [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])
2
he checks, you bet, he raises ... i fold

river
no bets go in ... ie. check behind

Bona 09-23-2007 11:55 PM

Re: 99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
Well...my basic question is whether these players played the hand optimally or if any posters would have played it differently and why.

I suppose it may be elementary to some but I am still learning. Therefore either suggestions for playing it better or affirmation as played will be helpful. 99 is often a hard hand for me. It would have been even harder I suppose if there had been 2-3 over cards but then it would have played differently I guess.

Buzz-cp 09-23-2007 11:58 PM

Re: 99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
Tweedledee: I don't like b/3b into the pf3-bettor holding 99. When we get raised, we are usually facing a big pair. My instinct is to c/r and then calldown unless the board gets scarier.

Tweedledum: we 3-bet preflop and dee donks into us on the flop, hmmm. I have to wonder if he is preparing to 3-bet with like TT or JJ. I'm not very happy about getting 3-bet here. A calldown is meh.

Aaron W. 09-24-2007 12:32 AM

Re: 99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
[ QUOTE ]
Tweedledee is 13.41/6.1/7.0

[/ QUOTE ]

7.0 AF? A raise-folder, eh? That's the only reason I would be 3-betting him preflop because I don't really want to mix it up with this player when I'm either way behind or only a little ahead.

Edit: Misread the action by getting Dee and Dum mixed up.

bellatrix 09-24-2007 02:33 AM

Re: 99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
nh (I see no wrong moves)!
Are you dum? I mean, tweedledum...

Bona 09-24-2007 07:48 AM

Re: 99 Tweedledee and Tweedledum
 
I am dumb [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. I mean dum [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. I mean tweedledum [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].


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