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gobboboy 08-07-2007 07:36 PM

Weird spot in FT 25k with a frustrating turn card.
 
Blinds 25/50, effective stacks are all about 3k.

UTG limps for 50, MP1 limps for 50, I limp in the hijack with 5h5s, sb completes and bb raps.

Flop 643 with two hearts. Checks to utg who minbets, MP1 makes it 200. I call. UTG calls. Turn is the ugly 5d, putting two flush draws out there. UTG minbets again. MP1 makes it 450 very quickly. There's more than 2500 behind at this point, and if I pair the board and he has a straight he's pretty much never folding and there's a chance that I am good now and it will go c/c. Obviously I'm folding if utg reraises. Does anyone fold here?

River's an offsuit deuce and he bets 650. I say "weird hand" and he says "yeah. you missed your flush though." Anyone thing this is an easy fold once he says this? Getting about 4:1 on a call but I can only hope to chop.

Thoughts?

djk123 08-07-2007 07:47 PM

Re: Weird spot in FT 25k with a frustrating turn card.
 
Is folding flop bad? We don't really have any implied odds if we hit our straight, and there's a small chance the minbetter 3 bets the flop.

On turn I think we have to call for the reasons you stated.
I'm not really sure about the river.

edit: actually i think river is a fold.

mikeJ 08-07-2007 07:56 PM

Re: Weird spot in FT 25k with a frustrating turn card.
 
Would've been nice if you included pot sizes.

Flop: 250

Turn Before Betting: 850

Turn after MP1 raises: 1350

River: 1800

River after MP1 bets: 2450

I think turn call is fine, as you said, ur probably getting paid if board pairs, so ur getting like ~8.5 to 1 implied (assuming villain has another 2500 behind after his 450 turn raise), and I don't think UTG will be reraising often enough to make ur turn call unprofitable.

I fold river though. You're getting ~1.5 to 1 effectively and his turn raising range is heavily made up of 7x hands, imo.

woodguy 08-07-2007 07:57 PM

Re: Weird spot in FT 25k with a frustrating turn card.
 
Being deep works against a call on the flop as a flush draw is going to call and you are drawing to 6 outs and should fold instead.

I don't mind raising the flop to clean up your outs and a turn bet (not knowing the 5 is coming) folds a lot of pair + draw hands.

900 to go and jam turn maybe?

Pretty sure you have to push turn if you raise flop so make it enough that turn is PSB.

Regards,
Woodguy

KneeCo 08-07-2007 08:00 PM

Re: Weird spot in FT 25k with a frustrating turn card.
 
The pot after his bet on the riv is 2400 but since you're playing for half at best, you need to be good here just over 40% of the time, which is tough, but his speech is weird. It's hard to judge things like his speech based on description in a vacuum so I don't know.

When you made the 'weird hand' comment what kind of reaction, if any, were you fishing for?


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