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ActionStan 10-24-2007 08:51 PM

NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
Bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($233.00)
Button ($188.00)
SB ($222.50)
BB ($181.50)
UTG ($204.00)
UTG+1 ($442.50)
MP1 ($306.00)
MP2 ($407.00)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]K[[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]], .
4 folds</font>, <font color="Red">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="Gray">1 fold</font>, SB calls $7, <font color="Gray">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($18) 9[[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], K[[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], T[[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $33</font>, Hero calls $19.

Turn: ($84) 2[[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($84) K[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">SB bets $75</font>, Hero?

BT2 10-24-2007 09:10 PM

Re: NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
he has a full house

ActionStan 10-24-2007 09:30 PM

Re: NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
Thanks. Are you folding to the flop raise?

alex-star 10-25-2007 01:23 PM

Re: NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
I probably would if they had reasonable stats.

SABR42 10-25-2007 01:29 PM

Re: NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
I call this.

ActionStan 10-25-2007 01:31 PM

Re: NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
Thanks Alex. Given that you're folding to his flop raise. Why are we betting here? Are there enough hands that will pay us off to be betting for value?

I ask as I'm running through a series of hands that cause me trouble. Moderately strong made hands, in position, that don't play well to a raise that aren't going to get action from a very large part of the villain range.

ActionStan 10-25-2007 01:32 PM

Re: NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
Thanks SABR.

So you're calling both the flop raise and the river bet? Are you considering a re-raise on the flop?

SABR42 10-25-2007 01:34 PM

Re: NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Thanks SABR.

So you're calling both the flop raise and the river bet? Are you considering a re-raise on the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes, calling both.

Re-raising flop is suicide without some huge read.

ActionStan 10-25-2007 01:42 PM

Re: NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
Thanks again.

No huge read, so I didn't re-raise. I'm still questioning my flop call somewhat.

So, on the flop I'm thinking mostly KQ,KJ,AK,KT,TT,99 and sometimes a heart draw. Heart drops on the turn. Check/check. I don't really think he's on hearts. 75 on the river and I'm very confident he's not on weak hearts and unlikely he's on strong hearts.

I'm better than a bluff. I'm still better than KQ and KJ. I'm still way behind 99,TT, and KT. Are KQ and KJ firing a full pot sized bet on the river often enough for me to overcome paying off the other 3? If not, seems like a fold.

What's your thinking on the river?

CallMeJohn 10-25-2007 01:45 PM

Re: NL200 - AK on the river, Fold/Call/Shove?
 
I call the flop raise. It is barely more than a minraise.

i call river too, although i think he is turning up KT/K9 a whole lot.


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