TT - rivers top set on 3 to flush board against 16/9/oo
 

PF's meh I considered a squeeze, but UTG seamed pretty tight and I'd been fairly active.

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BB: $50
UTG: $57.55
MP: $42.75
CO: $50.85
BTN: $38.50
Hero (SB): $120.65

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.75</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, Hero calls $1.50, BB folds

Flop: ($7.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, UTG folds, CO calls $6, BTN folds

Turn: ($19.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>, CO calls $14

River: ($47.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero..............

Is it pretty standard to shove all in - with this line what hands are going to call besides 66,22,44 and 99. I find it hard to believe a villain with these stats doesn't raise with any of these at some point. Would it be better to checked to induce a bluff or even do a weak bet to get called from random pairs.

Re: TT - rivers top set on 3 to flush board against 16/9/oo
 

shove here i think

he most likely has a FD but he might have some pair like JJ+

Re: TT - rivers top set on 3 to flush board against 16/9/oo
 

I probably bet smaller on the turn, like $10-$11. On the river, I don't hate betting about $15 hoping to get value from marginal hands, or even going for a river c/r.

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I don't necessarily disagree with this but can you explain your thinking behind it. The villain has an aggression factor of infinite and has called big bets on the flop and turn. If he has a flush draw he's obviously not paying out on the river. He'll pay out with a set all day but does he not raise these for value and protection?

Re: TT - rivers top set on 3 to flush board against 16/9/oo
 

If he's calling 2 times with a made flush he's a retard so pay him off

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I dont really think he has a set here that often either, but he could have something like an overpair with one club or a couple of overs with the ace of clubs. If you check the river to him, you miss value because he'll check behind the overpairs a lot instead of calling your bet. A normal villain doesnt bluff enough with a busted draw to make checking better than betting.

Re: TT - rivers top set on 3 to flush board against 16/9/oo
 

Put him all in on this river, his calling range is much larger than his betting range on the river, and I can't really see him bluffing very often. He'll check behind many hands (overpairs mostly) that he'll often call a river bet with.

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I don't necessarily disagree with this but can you explain your thinking behind it. The villain has an aggression factor of infinite and has called big bets on the flop and turn. If he has a flush draw he's obviously not paying out on the river. He'll pay out with a set all day but does he not raise these for value and protection?

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Few reasons, hero bet out two times with pocket T, at the river he improves his hand, if you're not planning on committing your stack to this flop you should fold at the flop, not at the river. Villain's behavior is also weird, he's just flatcalling with flush possibility on the flop, he is possibly trapping, but on a board like this a big draw is very possible.

Re: TT - rivers top set on 3 to flush board against 16/9/oo
 

If you are planning on folding - then fold the turn.

pushing here is teh standard - stack his AA(with a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) expect him to fold most overpairs lots of the time tho.

If he went an flopped the joint we got coolered.

We just rivered his OP's and sets - sets are calling all day - OP's quite often he has the flush here like 1 time in 100.

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He has an infinite aggression factor. Why has no one mentioned checking to him so he can bluff his missed flush draw? With these stats I have a feeling he is raising some time earlier with a flush or a set. If he had a draw he will fold to almost any bet. He is sickeningly aggressive too. I would check let him bluff and if he happens to have the flush he gets paid off, good for him.

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He has an infinite aggression factor. Why has no one mentioned checking to him so he can bluff his missed flush draw? With these stats I have a feeling he is raising some time earlier with a flush or a set. If he had a draw he will fold to almost any bet. He is sickeningly aggressive too. I would check let him bluff and if he happens to have the flush he gets paid off, good for him.

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true, true, there's a chance then that he will fire and you'll be able to get more value out of it. if he has a flush, it's a cooler. but checking to him seems to be better indeed.

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He has an infinite aggression factor. Why has no one mentioned checking to him so he can bluff his missed flush draw? With these stats I have a feeling he is raising some time earlier with a flush or a set. If he had a draw he will fold to almost any bet. He is sickeningly aggressive too. I would check let him bluff and if he happens to have the flush he gets paid off, good for him.

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true, true, there's a chance then that he will fire and you'll be able to get more value out of it. if he has a flush, it's a cooler. but checking to him seems to be better indeed.

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I think it looks pretty obvious if we bet two streets then check on a blank river. Almost like we want him to bluff....I think betting this river to get JJ+ to call is much better.

Re: TT - rivers top set on 3 to flush board against 16/9/oo
 

What about weak-leading (~$11) with intentions of calling any shove? We still get value from his AA type hands as well as giving him a chance to hang himself on this river. Only problem I see with it is that he'll be hard pressed to bluff you leaving you with such huge odds to call.

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The villain has an aggression factor of infinite and has called big bets on the flop and turn.

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You can't have all that many hands on him if it's "infinite". I wouldn't put too much stock in that at all. I think of the infinite as just kind of a placeholder until the aggregate is actually computable.

If it's backed up by observation, that's a bit different of course.

I'd push river.

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The villain has an aggression factor of infinite and has called big bets on the flop and turn.

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You can't have all that many hands on him if it's "infinite". I wouldn't put too much stock in that at all. I think of the infinite as just kind of a placeholder until the aggregate is actually computable.

If it's backed up by observation, that's a bit different of course.

I'd push river.

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I have a guy at 10NL that I have 450 hands on and still has an infinite aggression factor. I dont think this guy has a call button on his computer though.

Re: TT - rivers top set on 3 to flush board against 16/9/oo
 

With such a high AF, is it possible that he also bets any overpair? I dont have the time to work out the math right now, but my gut feeling is that he would have to bet the river a large % of the time to outway the risk of having him check behind. Unless he's been bluffing a lot lately, im still leaning towards betting the river.

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I don't like pushing here because I feel like most of his range can't call. Your line screams of a hand much better than the one you had, and of approximately equal strength to the one you now have.

Honestly, a decent player CANT call with an overpair here. Therefore, I would weak lead this in the range of 10-15$ and hope he can make a crying call. IMO, if you push and get called, you are toast.