uNL 1 year report card
 

Folks,

Well, its been a little over a year since the uNL/SSNL splits, so lets get some feedback.

First, Id like to thank all the posters that have made this place a great strat forum, and helped keep it to the high 2p2 standards. There are very few that still post here since the inception, but special thanks to munkey, pokey, ama, thac, kaz, gelford and anyone else that was here from the strat.

Now that we have that out of hte way, I want to hear we you the posters think of the following

a. Traffic- Do you feel as if you hand gets lost too fast, or does it receive appropiate responses.
b. Quality of the advice
c. Quality of the moderation- What policies would you like to see changed or implemented?
d. Other suggestions

Thanks,

uNL mods

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a. good traffic the good hands stay up where they should be till discussion is done

b. depends on the poster, I think much of it is pretty bad.

c. good, ama yells at me too much and there tend to be some flame wars occasionally.

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good forum. no complaints. one of the nicer forums (i don't get flamed for my bad advice).

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a. way too much traffic - after i respond to a post and go to the front page, there's already like 3-5 new posts

b. some good, some bad

c. don't really see too many threads getting locked - which is fine by me. don't really know how many people you guys are locking out for certain periods of time

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a: b+
b: c
c: A+
d: possibly some sort of move up thread. question/comments about moving up are so common and everywhere. It would be nice to put it all in one place and also for people to post how they are doing it and how well they are doing.

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I think the traffics great, the advice is fair, i dont see what could be done about it tho, its basically newbs helping noobs and semi noobs, as is the purpose of the forum

the mods are great ldo (im not getting tarped into a ban)

i was never here before the split so i couldnt talk on the changes

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a. Traffic is sometimes overwhelming, but I think it's unavoidable given the number of players at micro stakes.
b. Varies from great to ridiculous. I've found reading SSNL/MSNL and looking for good replies is helpful when trying to understand how to formulate posts.
c. Good given the amount of traffic, irrelevant posts are quickly handled.
d. It's hard to do, but encouraging searching/reading. There sooo much good stuff in the stickies/forums/archives that goes beyond the advice that's possible to give immediately.

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a. I think the traffic is okay. Not too much to where I feel like posts don't get enough attention.

b. Depends on the person giving the advice but overall I'd say it's fairly solid.

c. Moderation seems great, I've seen no problems here.

d. No real suggestions, just keep up the good work!

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a. i cant complain

b. obviously most of the advice must be bad, because most of the players are new to NL, some maybe even to poker. there are still the regulars, who give good advice and all the posters should learn from the advice they give

c. dunno, cant judge, never had problems

d. give me a run-good-boost

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a. Traffic- Do you feel as if you hand gets lost too fast, or does it receive appropiate responses.

I try to write interesting titles and get people to read my hand. The only time I've notice that my hands get buried quickly is when they are boring.

B+

b. Quality of the advice

This will always be tough since a lot of the posters are new and people give seemingly good advice while using some buzzwords and other tactics to which credit is easily given (sometimes mistakenly). There are still some posters with a good number of posts that I feel like I can rely on to give good advice.

B

c. Quality of the moderation- What policies would you like to see changed or implemented?

I think the moderation is great and the new "no one-liner" rule is excellent. I do notice some full ring hands finding their way here and falling through the cracks.

A+

d. Other suggestions
More polls. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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c. good, ama yells at me too much and there tend to be some flame wars occasionally.

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THATS AN OUTRIGHT LIE PRODONKEY AND YOU KNOW IT LDOBBQ

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I'm very sensitive

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The advice is the biggest problem here. You really need to pay attention to a few and ignore the rest.

Many of the threads that don't get major attention are limited to multiple people saying "I do it this way" with no reason, or more importantly when challenged, no ability to break down the hand and explain why they do it a certain way.

A series of stickied discussions of how to dissect a hand in terms of assigning a range and some simple math based on that range would go a long way. Then at least when there's disagreement there could be some expectation of going back to a real hand dissection rather than just waiting for the next newbie to weigh in.

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If we aren't good at giving advice, how are we qualified to evaluate whether advice is good? We'll just evaluate advice that confirms our biases as good, and advice that doesn't as bad. The only evaluation that means anything is in results, namely, that people who come here for results win more, and move up.

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If we aren't good at giving advice, how are we qualified to evaluate whether advice is good? We'll just evaluate advice that confirms our biases as good, and advice that doesn't as bad. The only evaluation that means anything is in results, namely, that people who come here for results win more, and move up.

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Some of the advice is really really bad, that doesn't mean people won't improve when they post here.

I feel like there should be more recognition for good posters, but maybe that's too much of a jerkfest. I can't think of a good way to do it anyways.

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As a newbie posting in threads here, if I make an argument about why I think a hand should or not be played a certain way, it's usually not just because I think I'm giving advice but because I'm interested in getting input or being corrected by better or more experienced players. I worry about giving bad advice but I don't see any other way to get started except by jumping in.

Even given that bad advice abounds, just the process of reviewing hands in detail and thinking through analyses should be helpful to most new players, I know it has been for me. I think the only caveat should be that taking too much general advice for granted without bothering to understand the analysis behind it will eventually lead to a dead end.

It would also be nice to see more hands given with some kind of read on the villain, although obviously that's not always possible.

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The traffic can be a little overwhleming, like I could just spend all my time radings posts here 24/7 probably but well there is not much that can be done. It's always going to be popular so you just have to live with it.

A lot of the advice can be good but as you read it you soon recognise who are the best forums so in a sense when I post a hand or a reply once the people I respect post it, I then feel vindicated that I know the best line etc

I feel the moderation is fine

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If we aren't good at giving advice, how are we qualified to evaluate whether advice is good? We'll just evaluate advice that confirms our biases as good, and advice that doesn't as bad. The only evaluation that means anything is in results, namely, that people who come here for results win more, and move up.

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Some of the advice is really really bad, that doesn't mean people won't improve when they post here.

I feel like there should be more recognition for good posters, but maybe that's too much of a jerkfest. I can't think of a good way to do it anyways.

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The problem with this is that nobody here is really "good", otherwise we would all be playing MSNL already. Some are better than others but I've always been a fan of taking all the advice in and filtering it for yourself. There's really no way to denote who is good or bad without imploding the forum imo, and I dont think that labelling people as "bad" is really going to help what is supposed to be a friendly place for beginners to get their toes wet.

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Que Gelford:

Thanks for mentioning me



This is the noob forum, so some advice will always be horrid, but that isn't a problem.


Traffic is fine.


Mods ... there was a glich from the point where Matrix disappeared til Ama gained office, but it is great and good choice in picking Ama [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


Gelford over and out

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Its the first step on the ladder so advice will always be a mix.

We've got some good regulars and beginners who are working on their games and asking questions to promote discussion and learn.


overall i think its good, general atmosphere is pretty good.

Flaming happens, its easy to misread or interpret someones post/joke/level.

Mods do a good job.

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a. Traffic- Hands can get lost very quickly at times but I've never had a problem getting an appropriate and solid level of response. All we need to do as posters is browse past the front page occaisionally to see if anything has been seriously neglected or missed, simple. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
b. Quality of the advice- Usually solid and it was never dificult to separate the wheat from the chaff, anything contentious and there's usually a decent discussion surrounding it.
c. Quality of the moderation- Honestly think you guys do a great job, esp at micro stakes where there's so many newbs lol, needs a heavy hand at some times and a bit of paitience at others, well done [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
d. Other suggestions - We may need more digests lol, should get a little network going to watch out for quality stuff as though most is stickied, if you're away for a few days can miss some quality stuff!

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Traffic - I think that the majority of hands get a good amount of responses.

Quality - some good, some bad, some great. The bad advice seems unavoidable considering the target audience. I think it's good for the learning process to try and decipher what is good advice and what's bad. I really think it's great how much the forum vets participate in the posts cause many of the hands are probably so standard and boring for them that overtime it probably gets a little tedious responding to the same kinds of hands over and over. It really helps the newbies though, thanks guys.

Moderation - no complaints

Other - can't think of any good ones right now.

EDIT: Oh ya, I saw someone suggest this a little while ago. Having an end of the month post where people submit the threads of the month or something would be cool.

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A.) Good. I can post a hand, take a shower, and be responed to by the time I get back.
B.) A lot of bad advice, but it's pretty easy to spot (ignore all of mine). Positive is bad advice usually gets called out and discussed in a friendly way why it is wrong.
C.) Great. Rarely does anything get too out of hand and it doesn't seem like there are nearly as many "search-ignorant" posters here as most other forums.

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A.) Good. I can post a hand, take a shower, and be responed to by the time I get back.
B.) A lot of bad advice, but it's pretty easy to spot (ignore all of mine). Positive is bad advice usually gets called out and discussed in a friendly way why it is wrong.
C.) Great. Rarely does anything get too out of hand and it doesn't seem like there are nearly as many "search-ignorant" posters here as most other forums.

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yeh i joined just after the split and have to say i have had a massively positive experience from uNL. I am sad i am still here but that's life.

my only slight crit is that i would like to see the mods in general post more poker content. i don't mean this in a mods should change their lifestyle/posting habits so bozzer is happy kind of way, i mean that perhaps future mods should be selected with that aspect more emphasised. only a small thing, and i think ama is doing a pretty good job with that so far so i might be out of line.

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a. Seems healthy

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As a newbie posting in threads here, if I make an argument about why I think a hand should or not be played a certain way, it's usually not just because I think I'm giving advice but because I'm interested in getting input or being corrected by better or more experienced players. I worry about giving bad advice but I don't see any other way to get started except by jumping in.

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Well put by well played. Also just want to say that I really appreciate the fact that posters who successfully play much, much higher than uNL take the time to drop into the basement occasionally.

c. Fine

d. One-line replies aren't always bad. Sometimes they are appropriate, and some very good posters communicate useful advice through them.

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d. Other suggestions


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I would like to see a separate preflop forum under the PL/NL Texas Hold'em section.
It's one of the areas that most micro stakes players need the most help with. I don't post a lot, but I want to change that, and after a session I usually find that many of the tough spots I find myself in started because I wasn't sure how to play optimally preflop. However, I don't want to clutter the micro forums with multiple pf situations, but they are so fundamental to one's game that I think a separate forum would be very beneficial.
It would also create a lot less traffic in the micro forum, as there are a lot of pf posts.

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One-line replies aren't always bad. Sometimes they are appropriate, and some very good posters communicate useful advice through them.

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I think the first person needs to explain his thought processes, not just say, "Fist pump."

After 10 posts of the same advice it's fine to just say call.

Obv, if the hand is semi-interesting, any answer (first or 50th) should take more than five words to answer.

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most of this: tl;dr

I would like to make a short point about the advice here.
When I reged, I don't remember seeing this forum so I started in SSNL. I took a long break from 2p2 and a short one from poker. As I'm back now, I usually browse several forums (unl, ssnl, msnl, beginners, bbv, and once in a while I'll read hsnl).

Yes, the advice can be pretty terrible here, but we are all here to learn (ldo). As long as we are all trying to do that, this forum will only get better and better.

I'm getting better at giving good advice, but that is only from reading a LOT of it. I read stuff from Orange, Pokey, Jay, Grimm, Goofy, and anyone else who posts a lot in SSNL/MSNL and I look at their thoughts. I'm a different person than they are, so I'll have a different approach than they do. Even so, I still respect them a lot. There's no need to get into those stupid flame wars, with ANYONE. If someone is being a douche, tell a mod and play some poker (spend 5 minutes OFF of 2p2). The mods are there for a reason.

All that said, I think that about 60% of my current game has come from reading and posting (and getting flamed) here on 2p2. This place is awesome.

side note: I'll try to define good advice. Advice is someone's idea about WHY a hand should be played a certain way. If you read through some of the unl/ssnl replies, so many of them say "shove turn!!@1111!!! LDO!!!!1" Then the good ssnl posters and many msnl posters go on for two pages about their analysis of a hand/concept. I also remember reading an article in card player or the like where they staged a hand with three pros. Any idea how small that type is??? Their thoughts were 3-4 pages in this article.

side side note: unl questions are not just the .01/.02nl questions. they are beginner q's. They talk about flush draws and simple odds. ssnl questions are probably more theoryish than you might think (squeezing a good reg, etc) and have little to do with playing 1/2nl. Think of unl as high school for poker players. ssnl might be like college. MSNL is working on your master's degree. And HSNL, well, who the hell knows what they think about up there!

:-D

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Folks,

Well, its been a little over a year since the uNL/SSNL splits, so lets get some feedback.

First, Id like to thank all the posters that have made this place a great strat forum, and helped keep it to the high 2p2 standards. There are very few that still post here since the inception, but special thanks to munkey, pokey, ama, thac, kaz, gelford and anyone else that was here from the strat.

Now that we have that out of hte way, I want to hear we you the posters think of the following

a. Traffic- Do you feel as if you hand gets lost too fast, or does it receive appropiate responses.
b. Quality of the advice
c. Quality of the moderation- What policies would you like to see changed or implemented?
d. Other suggestions

Thanks,

uNL mods

[/ QUOTE ]well... cant believe it has been a whole year of unl being around. i remember when it was first started up and i actually started participating in discusions and posting regularly on 2p2 (and sure enough that is when i first became a winning cash game player consistently [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])

i am so thankfull for the change. when it was just ssnl i NEVER posted. i think i reg in aug 05. and from then till whenever unl opened i think i had like 150 posts. they were almost exclusively in sttf and mainly in OT threads with the now shibs and all those goof balls.

unl popped up and i was like hey this is me. i just switched to cash. awsome. heres my chance to get better and fit in a bit. boom. started posting a lot and learned a ton. met some awsome people who i love. and it still shows as i still have yet to migrate to ssnl for several reasons.

in comparison unl is infinatly better. im sure i miss out on some great advice but most of the great posters pass right over my threads in ssnl so it really doesnt matter n e wayz. so i think the traffic here is MUCH better. well thoughtout threads with interesting situations get seen and get discussed in depth for the most part.

the quality of the advice is that of n e forum. some good... some bad. i think that is the toughest part of makin 2p2 help u. sifting thru the good and the bad and being able differentiate between the two. nothing you can do if u get spammed by a bunch of newbs with one liners. but for every 2 crap replies you get one good one. so u have to figure it out.

the mods r awsome as well. i think you all do a great job keepin this place alive and kicking. im sure it is a handfull and would never complain about the job you do. keep up the good work.

my only suggestion is to keep buckling down on the newbs giving one line responses. it helps them get better and it helps breed good posters which will help the forum mature even more.

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My suggestion: bring back the well.

Pilket

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Traffic is pretty crazy high; people need to not post 5 hands at a time.

The advice is not good overall. There are several good posters that I respect, and when the SSNL or MSNL guys stop in and throw down some posts its always awesome...too bad retards with 30 posts flame them and tell them they're wrong. Honestly I've just been reading SSNL more and more lately since those are the guys that beat the piss out of UNL and have moved up. No real avoiding it, but the quality of advice is a lot better there.

Mods have done a good job keeping the rabble from overwhelming UNL. Must be a hell of a time but nice job guys.

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Traffic is pretty crazy high; people need to not bump ALL of my hands at a time.


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My suggestion: bring back the well.

Pilket

[/ QUOTE ]pretty sure there is no rule on not having these. just need good posters to volunteer or some people need to recruit good posters to want to do this

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one of the nicer forums (i don't get flamed for my bad advice)

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QFT [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

ps Sometimes get for good [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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the moderation on here is beyond ridiculous. the only thing that should be moderated are the personal attacks everything else is just petty and stupid

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Lots of traffic, do a good job of locking asinine bbv threads IMO. I like the fact that this is one of the bigger forums. The advice can be great or awful, it really depends. I try to give quality advice. Think most of it is sound. IMO we generate good discussion when people disagree, no flamewars, solid debate.

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I do agree that people sometimes post way too many hands at a time. I think two at a time maximum is good. Unless someone is clueless you should only have a questionable and or two about every 1,000 hands.

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A) Sometimes there are too many threads and things get lost in the shuffle. However, one positive is there are always many new hands to look at. I guess we should be thankful for how many participants we have on the forum.

B)The advice ranges from very good to very bad. It's the nature of the beast though.

I don't mind people giving bad advice if they explain themselves. We all have given bad advice before (and will do it again) but that is how we grow. The thing I really hate is when people just give a one liner with no reason. If you're not going to put any thought or effort into it than don't bother replying at all.

C)Seem to be doing alright.

D)I'd like to see the ability to rate a persons post for that particular thread. If you have noticed on youtube in the comments section people can give a thumbs up or thumbs down and it keeps count of how many. That would be cool for the forums because if someone made a great reply you could just give the thumbs up. That would also help people to see what advice is bad or good.

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the moderation on here is beyond ridiculous. the only thing that should be moderated are the personal attacks everything else is just petty and stupid

[/ QUOTE ]lol u sir r wrong. most of ur threads suck. sorry to b so blatent but work on the threads u start and the stuff u post. put more thought into it and post more specific stuff.

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d. could do without the bbv threads...