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Christophers 07-26-2007 12:42 PM

Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
Villain in this hand is Veni_Vidi_Vici_, formerly huungry_shark. I know he's been playing these games a long time so I assume he's a winner, but definitely not one of the bigger ones. He runs around 25/19 or so and pretty aggressive. We don't have any recent history but he knows I'm a reg and I assume he respects my game somewhat since he hasn't sat down to play me HU on the other tables I'm waiting at.

FWIW, he timed down a little before betting the river despite not playing many tables or being involved in any other big hands as far as I could see. It wasn't a major tank, but enough to be noticable.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $25/$50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $5,075.00
BB: $1,410.00
UTG: $9,285.00
BTN: $2,645.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $175.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $150.00, BB folds

Flop: ($400) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $350.00</font>, Hero calls $350.00

Turn: ($1100) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($1100) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $755.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2,000.00</font>

I figure I could easily play a flopped boat, any 9, T8 and so on like this. If you don't like it, do you prefere a bigger raise? We had like 4k left after his river bet.

Phresh 07-26-2007 12:46 PM

Re: Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
I think the raise size is good (unless he will decide you'd raise bigger with good made hands). If he has a flush he isn't folding for more and I think it accomplishes the same as a $3k+ bet against his range of non-flush+ hands.

luegofuego 07-26-2007 01:23 PM

Re: Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
this feels very wrong.

KRANTZ 07-26-2007 01:27 PM

Re: Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
oh boy no.

bigger raise. but i hate hate hate hate trying to bluff this opponent, especially in a 4 handed game.

Patriks 07-26-2007 01:31 PM

Re: Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
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I think the raise size is good (unless he will decide you'd raise bigger with good made hands). If he has a flush he isn't folding for more and I think it accomplishes the same as a $3k+ bet against his range of non-flush+ hands.

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what is a non-flush+ range? I believe u mean non-flush- range...

teddyFBI 07-26-2007 01:38 PM

Re: Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
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Villain in this hand is Veni_Vidi_Vici_, formerly huungry_shark. I know he's been playing these games a long time so I assume he's a winner, but definitely not one of the bigger ones.

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bad read.

jsnipes28 07-26-2007 01:39 PM

Re: Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
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Villain in this hand is Veni_Vidi_Vici_, formerly huungry_shark. I know he's been playing these games a long time so I assume he's a winner, but definitely not one of the bigger ones.

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bad read.

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He's not a winner, or one of the bigger ones?

Phresh 07-26-2007 01:40 PM

Re: Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
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bigger raise.

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Would you fold TT, AJ/KJ in this spot?

Christophers 07-26-2007 01:44 PM

Re: Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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Villain in this hand is Veni_Vidi_Vici_, formerly huungry_shark. I know he's been playing these games a long time so I assume he's a winner, but definitely not one of the bigger ones.

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bad read.

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He's not a winner, or one of the bigger ones?

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100% he isn't one of the bigger winners, he must mean he's a donator. I wasn't really sure since I've only just started playing 25/50.

mastr 07-26-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Just another river c/r bluff, 25/50
 
that raise needs to be way bigger. People like him aren't folding anything that he valuebet with to that raise


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