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donkraft 11-07-2007 06:17 PM

Nash Equilibrium charts
 
Hey

Does anybody have a link to some actual Nash Equilibrium Heads up push/fold/call charts?

Ie. total chips are 20.000, blinds are 600/1200/75 - and then a grid of hands to push/fold from SB and to fold/call with from BB.

And then another chart for 1000/2000/100 etc.

I KNOW I had some a while ago, but I have lost them.... I have googled my little hands off - no luck.

AMT 11-07-2007 06:55 PM

Re: Nash Equilibrium charts
 
SNGPT tutorial. its worth buying if you dont have it IMO. theres also a push/fold chart by curtains on donkit.com

donkraft 11-07-2007 07:20 PM

Re: Nash Equilibrium charts
 
Ah! I have bought a long time ago, that must have been where I saw the charts! That explains why google turned up with nothing.

I use SngWiz now, but I'll mail SNGPT-support about a new registration-key.

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plexiq 11-07-2007 08:22 PM

Re: Nash Equilibrium charts
 
Here you go:
http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sngs/hune.html

jukofyork 11-08-2007 06:49 PM

Re: Nash Equilibrium charts
 
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Here you go:
http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/sngs/hune.html

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Just out of interest, have you computed the EV loss if you were to just push those 3 small suited gappers? Is it significant?

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

pokerman777 11-09-2007 04:27 AM

Re: Nash Equilibrium charts
 
anybody can expalin me how to use this charts ?

ger664 11-09-2007 04:57 AM

Re: Nash Equilibrium charts
 
[ QUOTE ]
anybody can expalin me how to use this charts ?

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These type charts are only useful against opponents who know ICM.

They will give a beginner a good idea of what they should be doing heads up but u will probably be missing some spots to push and calling a little too wide against standard villians who do not know ICM.

plexiq 11-09-2007 05:29 AM

Re: Nash Equilibrium charts
 
@ger664:
These charts have nothing to do w/ ICM. In fact, they only apply when cEV=$EV. (As it is the case headsup, but *not* in >2-handed SB-vs-BB situations).

But what you meant is, i guess: Against a fishy opponent, this chart will not maximise your EV. If your opponent has some clear leaks, you are better off exploiting them. Thats correct.

The good thing about the chart: It is guaranteed to be at least break-even against any opponent. (Only in the case both players use push/fold only, obv.)

@pokerman77

How to use it:
The first table tells you the maximum stack size in BB's to push a given hand.

Important:
Only the *smaller* players stack is relevant.
Stack sizes are *before* posting the blinds.

e.g:
6th row, 10th column [95s]:
Push this hand if the smaller stack is up to 14.4BB.

@Yuk:
Didnt calculate the max. EV we give up when simply pushing these 3 suited cons. I'll try later and let you know. One thing i also want to check is how much edge the NE has against a player using the SAGE system.

RexWoo 11-09-2007 05:54 AM

Re: Nash Equilibrium charts
 
ger : it's heads up. It has nothing to do with ICM.

auffenpuffer 11-09-2007 06:24 AM

Re: Nash Equilibrium charts
 
Is there a diffrence between nash equilibrium and SAGE?


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