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p4594spa 10-16-2007 03:02 PM

Weird hand at 20-40 @ Bay 101
 
Table is full of tight fairly passive players. Player in EP+1 is the only exception and I would describe him as somewhat loose and agressive.
I am particularly looking for comments pre-flop. Post flop seems pretty simple.

Hand in question I am OTB with A-10c.
EP bets, EP+1 raises, fold, MP calls, folded to me, I call?
--> after reading on, let me know if a raise was in order.

Flop comes KQJ rainbow.
EP bets, EP+1 raises, MP calls, Hero re-raises, EP caps, all call.

Going to turn we have 33.5SB, ~17BB
Turn is 10 completing the rainbow. (of course this is the worst card I can think of here as any other A's have straights now.
EP bets, EP+1 raises, MP calls, I raise, EP caps.
--> So my thinking here is that, of course, I am chopping with any other aces, but I want to build the pot incase some fool is calling with the butt end of the straight (9). The raise costs me nothing

River is an offsuit x. Same betting occurs as on turn.

EP shows down AKd, EP+1 shows down AQs, MP shows down AJh.
I know you guys would rather not see final results, but I am really looking from comments on the pre-flop.

Garland 10-16-2007 03:17 PM

Re: Weird hand at 20-40 @ Bay 101
 
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I know you guys would rather not see final results, but I am really looking from comments on the pre-flop.

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Ok, standard fold pre-flop. Would you even consider it if it weren't suited? Didn't think so.

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Table is full of tight fairly passive players

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This drives the pre-flop fold answer home.

Garland

p4594spa 10-16-2007 03:27 PM

Re: Weird hand at 20-40 @ Bay 101
 
Garland,
I take your point. Standard SSHE says you need AJS to make this call. I wouldn't have called A-10o; however I felt A-10s was close and because the table was so passive, I have been able to control things after the flop...That was caused me to call.
Would you call with AJs?

Grease 10-16-2007 03:28 PM

Re: Weird hand at 20-40 @ Bay 101
 
Yeah, I think folding PF is really the only way you can play the hand. You're simply dominated far too often for this to ever be close to profitable.

Hass 10-16-2007 03:38 PM

Re: Weird hand at 20-40 @ Bay 101
 
There would need to be 5-6 players pf for me to cold call here. And even then it isn't a very good situaion to be in unless you have draws to the nuts or flop 3 tens.

Garland 10-16-2007 05:18 PM

Re: Weird hand at 20-40 @ Bay 101
 
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Would you call with AJs?

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Probably not (have to be many cold-callers for me to do so). It just isn't good poker to voluntarily put yourself in a position to be dominated.

Garland

Captain R 10-16-2007 05:37 PM

Re: Weird hand at 20-40 @ Bay 101
 
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Hand in question I am OTB with A-10c.
EP bets, EP+1 raises, fold, MP calls, folded to me, I call?


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No, you fold.

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--> after reading on, let me know if a raise was in order.


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3bet this preflop if you like burning money.

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Turn is 10 completing the rainbow. (of course this is the worst card I can think of here as any other A's have straights now.


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No, the worst card is a K/Q/J. Then you no longer have the nuts.

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EP bets, EP+1 raises, MP calls, I raise, EP caps.
--> So my thinking here is that, of course, I am chopping with any other aces, but I want to build the pot incase some fool is calling with the butt end of the straight (9). The raise costs me nothing


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No, you keep raising here to charge all the 2pairs/sets money to stay in.

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I know you guys would rather not see final results, but I am really looking from comments on the pre-flop.

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Your logic is flawed on a couple of the streets. Also, SSHE preflop hands are too loose for most mid-limit games.


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