lol 4-flushaments
 

villain is 64/43/1.7 over 100. Specific reads: likes to open push pf at random times, seen him do it with 96s (40bbs) and 22 (75bbs). Post flop he isn't that much of a maniac really, I haven't seen many showdowns to say much more . He calls too much with weak draws i think, floats with A high etc, but doesn't make too many moves i don't think (but small sample). He can fold sometimes. Seen him donk a couple of times too, but never saw sd. I should add that i kinda expected him to check the nuts to me here from his tendancies, obv not 100% certain about that though.


He pretty much insta-shoved river, do you call?




Stack sizes:
UTG: $434.00
US: $721.00
Button: $330.30
SB: $589.35
BB: $44.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) US is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">US raises to $18</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">US bets $32</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($106, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">US bets $92</font>, UTG calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($290, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in $292</font>, US??

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i don't get why you're posting this lol.
unless you where a hero and he donked of 2 pair.
only hand i can see him having here is the the A Hearts.also his Limp PRE, makes me think he limped in small connectors.

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can he not bluff this a decent amount?

change the T to a heart, still a fold?

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erm, if i have the 10 of H there i prob call.
only thing you can really put him on having would be like a5
AH how he played that.
unless you have a heart you are obv checking behind..
but i don't see the insta shove.. that would blag me head.
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erm, if i have the 10 of H there i prob call.
only thing you can really put him on having would be like a5
AH how he played that.
unless you have a heart you are obv checking behind..
but i don't see the insta shove.. that would blag me head.
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That makes no sense bud. Why would you call with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] but not the straight. He wouldnt be shoving with a lower then 10 flush thats for sure. Its either nuts, or 2 pair.

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that's where you're wrong, possible that he limped in with SCS 67HH for e.g he flated the flop hoping for his H got the H on the turn OMFGZ i have a flush!! ill just raise him on the river, river is another H he [censored] a brick and shoves.
i made that a bit drastic .. but you know what i mean.
obv more equity with the 10h .

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That makes no sense bud. Why would you call with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] but not the straight. He wouldnt be shoving with a lower then 10 flush thats for sure. Its either nuts, or 2 pair.

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this is wrong, how can you think he would shove two pair but not a heart lower than a T?

Also I think trying to assign logical actions to players with these stats is pointless.

I would fold the river anyway

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This is a typical "nuts or nothing" type of bet. He'd shove two pair thinking he's bluffing obviously. If you have either the 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], a straight, or top two pair, your call % should essentially be the same here. This is a concept that many beginners don't understand, but it should be common sense to any experienced player. He might be pounding the 2nd nut (and more rarely 3rd) flush, but usually ppl bet like 1/2 pot or just check with these hands when 1st to act. As for what u should do... fold, i think but its sooo tough. With what i just said, you HAVE to put him on the nuts to fold, otherwise u should call. And honestly, who would instajam like that with the nuts. I'm changing my mind now... Call him!
BTW this is my second post on 2+2 hope u guys enjoyed it. I subscribed to cardrunners and saw that in many videos the guys would say "this guy's a two plus two'er so im gonna try and stay away from him" lol

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welcome to the forum acdaces, thanks for your input [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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ez fold

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That makes no sense bud. Why would you call with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] but not the straight. He wouldnt be shoving with a lower then 10 flush thats for sure. Its either nuts, or 2 pair.

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this is wrong, how can you think he would shove two pair but not a heart lower than a T?

Also I think trying to assign logical actions to players with these stats is pointless.

I would fold the river anyway

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Turning 2 pair into bluff.

ldo

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blah, what an annoying spot. I just don't see him getting this far with anything that he turns in to a huge bluff on the river. This line from a donk is typically consistent with a strong made hand (ime), and I don't like the idea of bluffcatching without a better reason to believe this is going to be a bluff often enough to outweigh all the times it's the nuts.

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ican see this guy just firing with the 2 h r soemthing, seems bad but u fold even with given reads, also its the furst time hes seen showdown

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I don't think str8 = T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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I don't think str8 = T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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elaborate plz

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This doesn't even look close to me tbh, easy fold. He may be turning a hand into a bluff sometimes I guess but I see this so often from this type of player with an OK flush +. I def don't see it as nuts or nothing. Partly because he must have something so usually has some value in a check, and partly because players like this never bet/fold the river with a flush so often just stick it all in. Plus, from his point of view you could v easily have the nuts anyway. Damn annoying spot though.

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When I want to make hero calls vs these guys I often find that I'm overthinking the situation (I find out too late that is).

Obviously he can have the nuts here, but applying logic to the guys play isn't going to work a lot of the time. He could have had the flush on the turn and got pissed off on the river so shoved 76hh. He could be "overvaluing" any flush really, as he's probably that sort of player ... not that bad a thing when you're considering calling with the straight [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Anyway, I don't feel like this is necessarily a nuts or bluff type situation vs this guy, and I personally feel that I usually overestimate how often this type of player will make a huge river bluff in general. On the other hand, I definitely give people too much credit when there is a 4-flush on the board.

1 vote for fold here.

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who calls with Th, but folds o/w?

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I don't think str8 = T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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elaborate plz

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Because he might have Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] etc

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I fold here vs described opponent b/c I don't see them bluff often enough imo, nevertheless they do value bet low hearts a lot ; I start thinking about calling with Qh, definitely calls with Kh.