hand street by street
 

UTG is unknown, as is rest of table

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?

do we like raising to isolate since our hand wont improve often or just smooth calling and letting in the blinds, i dont like 4 way cuz its much tougher to win it with 66 here, thoughts?

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I would def raise this, assuming you get it hu which should happen your hand becomes much easier to play having postion. If you just call you are basically playing for set value and there is no gaurantee that the sb will come along aswell reducing your odds.

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normally i fold against an unknown but i play 1/2...

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my steadily growing gut says raise &gt; fold &gt; call and fold &gt; raise &gt; call if he were 3 off he button vs. 2 off the button.

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yea i agree miles, i dont like calling cuz its usually 4 way with the fish and real hard to win if we dont hit a set, so i raised

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?

3 betting can get us value but no fold equity and turn and river are certain to be overs usually. SB could be a fish but could be a strong player smooth calling here PF with a middle PP. I think calling here is best but thoughts?

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fold

we know nothing about anyone at the table. 3betting 66 vs an OTB+2 open raise is pushing a thin edge at best, and with no knowledge of villains tendencies we are more likely to make mistakes postflop.

also 3betting here loses its effectiveness when the blinds are loose. it would be nice to know something about them. 66 does not have an equity edge on most players OTB+2 raising range, picking up dead money is a big part of what can make 3betting preflop profitable.

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if stats were known and the SB was super aggro and UTG was a loose station 3 betting is maybe okay here, otherwise i think it is a spew but i think i see so many guys here reraising me on dry boards these days trying to steal.

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fold

we know nothing about anyone at the table. 3betting 66 vs an OTB+2 open raise is pushing a thin edge at best, and with no knowledge of villains tendencies we are more likely to make mistakes postflop.

also 3betting here loses its effectiveness when the blinds are loose. it would be nice to know something about them. 66 does not have an equity edge on most players OTB+2 raising range, picking up dead money is a big part of what can make 3betting preflop profitable.

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agreed, i like this thought process alot, so given tight blinds 3 betting is prolly good cuz the extra dead money, vs loose blinds its a spew, i agree completely yourface

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on the turn i really dont put a 3 in his range, if he has a middle PP we are nearly drawing dead with little implied odds, stats would help a ton to see if villain made these steal plays alot

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fold

we know nothing about anyone at the table. 3betting 66 vs an OTB+2 open raise is pushing a thin edge at best, and with no knowledge of villains tendencies we are more likely to make mistakes postflop.

also 3betting here loses its effectiveness when the blinds are loose. it would be nice to know something about them. 66 does not have an equity edge on most players OTB+2 raising range, picking up dead money is a big part of what can make 3betting preflop profitable.

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Glad Im not the only one who folds this. These are my thoughts exactly.

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Id just call the flop. I think you're in pretty bad shape vs sb's range.

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Id just call the flop. I think you're in pretty bad shape vs sb's range.

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i thought along this line to re-evaluate turn, fold if he leads out again. Anyhow, turn was a jack offsuit and it went check, check to me, do we check here assuming SB is scared of bet/fold to try charging flush draw or air?

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fold

we know nothing about anyone at the table. 3betting 66 vs an OTB+2 open raise is pushing a thin edge at best, and with no knowledge of villains tendencies we are more likely to make mistakes postflop.

also 3betting here loses its effectiveness when the blinds are loose. it would be nice to know something about them. 66 does not have an equity edge on most players OTB+2 raising range, picking up dead money is a big part of what can make 3betting preflop profitable.

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Glad Im not the only one who folds this. These are my thoughts exactly.

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NINA, this was the main reason i posted this hand, my thinking was along these lines but i feel real tight folding 66 PF OTB 5 way, i think so much depends on UTG's range and if the blinds are tight or not. i want to really focus in on improving my play in hands like these

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Id just call the flop. I think you're in pretty bad shape vs sb's range.

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i thought along this line to re-evaluate turn, fold if he leads out again. Anyhow, turn was a jack offsuit and it went check, check to me, do we check here assuming SB is scared of bet/fold to try charging flush draw or air?

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Easy bet. Dont give free cards in a pot this size. I also think you're ahead very often with this action.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero calls</font>.

Turn: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (11 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero?

i think there ranges ended up being wide, i am not sure how thin u can possible squeeze value from ace high here, check behind? this would seem like an ultra thin value bet to me.

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SB most likely has a scared 44-TT based on his flop+turn play. UTG can have those same hands, but overcard hands also need to be considered

there are more 77 88 99 TT combos than 44 55, and it is unlikely that UTG is going to overcall with anything except mayve 44 55. he may even have you beat now with a hand like AT KT QT. I don't think there is value in a a river bet.

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yea i agree your face, i like a check on the river as well, i dont think it gets enough value to make up for when i get called and beat, thanks for weighing in everyone

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Oh dear lord

3 [censored] bet preflop

Not close

here is what happens 98% when you 3-bet. People go into the worlds easiest mode to play against calling you down or folding their weak hands and raising their strong hands.

Whenever a given play makes people play their hand face up you should make that play. Stop being such huge nits.


Regarding the flop. See a SD vs unknowns