Mod Loses Prop Bet, Won\'t Respond To Me
 

So on July 25th 2007 me and kyleb (moderator in Health & Fitness, and BBV4L) made a prop weight loss bet detailed below.

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I have consistent PM's asking about progress along the way and us conversing. We agree that on the morning of October 1st our final weighin is to be PM'd to other party. I naturally PM him mine, then I have to wait 4 PM's and until 8:30 at night till I get this response:
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I totally didn't weigh myself this morning, but I highly doubt it matters. Pretty sure you have me crushed

Sorry about that - was going to weigh myself tomorrow morning. Been at work all day.

-Kyle

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Then I get this PM on the evening of October 2nd....

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Yeah I weight in, gg. lol

can you PM me your names again?

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Since then I have conversed a few times with him about baseball and have blatantly asked him a few times about it and he has either not responded or changed topics. He did mention on October 2nd (Tuesday) that he was waiting on epassporte transfer but at the latest it would be wednesday night. Still nothing.... I've sent PM's that I have saved and sent countless IM's and all I really care about is an update at least or a "hey [censored] you, i just won 5 figures betting sports, I'm not gonna pay said $200 prop bet"

I'm pissed because a) this was like a long term propbet and he knew the guidelines b) he wasn't around for weigh-in c) I was ready to pay right away if i lost said propbet d) I have to constantly hassle someone just to see what is up and e) the dude just won 5 figures on sports bets futures and he is dodging me for this i mean it only takes a second to deposit and transfer.

Ok tl:dr

Cliffnotes:
Made weight prop bet with mod, won said prop bet, mod hasn't paid up, mod wins 5 figures on sports, diomed head asplodes.

Venting thanks. Out.

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lol fatty

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I'll go get him, wait here.

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what a ratholer

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I'm just wanting some sort of explanation or anything for that matter. I was prepared to pay the day of the weigh-in and he did have 2 1/2 months to prepare for this, no?

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I assume you'll get paid as the hassle isn't worth $200. I think a 'Kyle B Busto?' thread in NVG is in order though..

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Lol. I think I'll get paid too. I'd just like an explanation for non communication. Plus the guy is damn hot right now in playoff baseball lol. You can start that thread if you like

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Will you accept 200 Jr. Bacon Cheeseburgers?

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I assume you'll get paid as the hassle isn't worth $200. I think a 'Kyle B Busto?' thread in NVG is in order though..

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[x] thread has potential

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Will you accept 200 Jr. Bacon Cheeseburgers?

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I'd prefer 200 small frosty's mmmk

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i have told this guy that i will obviously pay him. i have a few prop bets that will go out.

bothering me on AIM while drunk and being a moron isn't going to help the process any. let me load up stars like i said. christ.

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Jeez, give the guy some time. It's not like he said he wasn't paying.

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i have told this guy that i will obviously pay him. i have a few prop bets that will go out.

bothering me on AIM while drunk and being a moron isn't going to help the process any. let me load up stars like i said. christ.

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Ok. See that is all I wanted. This is the first real response about the matter since Wednesday of last week. Look at it from my perspective though, no responses, dodging questions about it, what would you do?

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Ok. See that is all I wanted. This is the first real response about the matter since Wednesday of last week. Look at it from my perspective though, no responses, dodging questions about it, what would you do?

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obv start a bbv thread..

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Ok. See that is all I wanted. This is the first real response about the matter since Wednesday of last week. Look at it from my perspective though, no responses, dodging questions about it, what would you do?

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obv start a bbv thread..

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haha

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i have told this guy that i will obviously pay him. i have a few prop bets that will go out.

bothering me on AIM while drunk and being a moron isn't going to help the process any. let me load up stars like i said. christ.

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Ok. See that is all I wanted. This is the first real response about the matter since Wednesday of last week. Look at it from my perspective though, no responses, dodging questions about it, what would you do?

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Kyle, youre real class making your first actual response an insulting one to the guy.

All you had to do was PM him sometime saying it would take a few days.

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kyleb for de-mod due to consistent hostility towards multiple members

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kyleb for super-mod due to consistent hostility towards multiple idiots

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kyleb for super-mod due to consistent hostility towards multiple idiots

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Ok. See that is all I wanted. This is the first real response about the matter since Wednesday of last week. Look at it from my perspective though, no responses, dodging questions about it, what would you do?

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obv start a bbv thread..

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haha

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I contacted adanthar before making this post.

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Also... I think he is already super-mod, no? He is a mod in two forums.

All I wanted was an update or two. I generally like kyleb and don't like that I have to nag someone to pay up on their bet. I shouldn't have to do this. If I had loss it would have been shipped the second it was official.

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Anyone who thinks OP is in anyway in the wrong here is sadly mistaken.

This sorta behavior from KyleB is exactly why he should be removed from modship

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Yeah diomed don't worry dude you are not out of line at all

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I had an in person (at his office in Seattle) handshake deal with Kyle and his partner to buy a few of my websites. When it came time to pay me he put me off several times. Finally when the money was 7 days late I said "okay, could you pay me 30% of what you owe". He said "no, we are having cash flow problems". So I said, "no problem, could you send me 10% or what you owed me a week ago?" No. sorry he said. I was trying to see if these guys were real or not so I could move on to another buyer. If you can't come up with 10% of $40,000 that means you have bad credit and no lines of credit to me so I had heard enough.

He said, "don't worry you will get your money". I told him to [censored] off and kicked him to the curb since I don't have time for jacks. I thought he was sincere (and his handshake was good) since I knew he was a big poster here that mentioned his "business" often on 2+2.

Kyles post replying to OP sounds similar to the way he acted towards me. Like I needed to be patient and understanding even though he couldnt come up with 10% of what he owed 7 days late. Thats not someone I want to do business with. I pay my bills on time. Next time I run a credit check.

If ya wanna compare beacons let me know Kyle. Or we could prop bet on whose is higher. I'll spot ya 50 points and give ya 2-1.

The OP might get his $200 but buyer/prop bettor beware on this mod, IMO.

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Thread has potential!

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I had an in person (at his office in Seattle) handshake deal with Kyle and his partner to buy a few of my websites. When it came time to pay me he put me off several times. Finally when the money was 7 days late I said "okay, could you pay me 30% of what you owe". He said "no, we are having cash flow problems". So I said, "no problem, could you send me 10% or what you owed me a week ago?" No. sorry he said. I was trying to see if these guys were real or not so I could move on to another buyer. If you can't come up with 10% of $40,000 that means you have bad credit and no lines of credit to me so I had heard enough.

He said, "don't worry you will get your money". I told him to [censored] off and kicked him to the curb since I don't have time for jacks. I thought he was sincere (and his handshake was good) since I knew he was a big poster here that mentioned his "business" often on 2+2.

The OP might get his $200 but buyer/prop bettor beware on this mod, IMO.

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that is pretty [censored] up if that is true

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I had an in person (at his office in Seattle) handshake deal with Kyle and his partner to buy a few of my websites. When it came time to pay me he put me off several times. Finally when the money was 7 days late I said "okay, could you pay me 30% of what you owe". He said "no, we are having cash flow problems". So I said, "no problem, could you send me 10% or what you owed me a week ago?" No. sorry he said. I was trying to see if these guys were real or not so I could move on to another buyer. If you can't come up with 10% of $40,000 that means you have bad credit and no lines of credit to me so I had heard enough.

He said, "don't worry you will get your money". I told him to [censored] off and kicked him to the curb since I don't have time for jacks. I thought he was sincere (and his handshake was good) since I knew he was a big poster here that mentioned his "business" often on 2+2.

The OP might get his $200 but buyer/prop bettor beware on this mod, IMO.

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[x] Degen Indian Bettors

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Readers digest version but 100% true. Shook both of their hands after about a 70 minute meeting with both.

I never posted about it but this OP and Kyles response got me riled up.

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interesting post Damit - lets see what Kyle has to say about this

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I had an in person (at his office in Seattle) handshake deal with Kyle and his partner to buy a few of my websites. When it came time to pay me he put me off several times. Finally when the money was 7 days late I said "okay, could you pay me 30% of what you owe". He said "no, we are having cash flow problems". So I said, "no problem, could you send me 10% or what you owed me a week ago?" No. sorry he said. I was trying to see if these guys were real or not so I could move on to another buyer. If you can't come up with 10% of $40,000 that means you have bad credit and no lines of credit to me so I had heard enough.

He said, "don't worry you will get your money". I told him to [censored] off and kicked him to the curb since I don't have time for jacks. I thought he was sincere (and his handshake was good) since I knew he was a big poster here that mentioned his "business" often on 2+2.

Kyles post replying to OP sounds similar to the way he acted towards me. Like I needed to be patient and understanding even though he couldnt come up with 10% of what he owed 7 days late. Thats not someone I want to do business with. I pay my bills on time. Next time I run a credit check.

If ya wanna compare beacons let me know Kyle. Or we could prop bet on whose is higher. I'll spot ya 50 points and give ya 2-1.

The OP might get his $200 but buyer/prop bettor beware on this mod, IMO.

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if this is true, wow.

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always escrow imo

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Grimmed on a 40k business deal. Harsh. Cant trust anyone these days. Have to have freaking everything in writing

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I was a reluctant seller since I had put 4 hard years in building my sites (7). I'm very happy I kept them and have had 1 better offer since (that I turned down).

It would have been a great buy for him if he coulda closed the deal.

I only posted this because the OP's story sounded familiar and the [censored] up response from Kyle sounded like the emails I got asking for my money. "Whats the big hurry". "Why are you so impatient?" "I'll have it in a few days"

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Grimmed on a 40k business deal. Harsh. Cant trust anyone these days. Have to have freaking everything in writing

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Hello Common Sense it's nice to meet you.

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Im off for some popcorn - bumped so Kyle can respond to allegations of scummyness [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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What Bob alleges is actually fairly accurate with the exception of what actually happened. I have no doubt he feels badly about how the deal went down.

The facts are: I agreed in principle to buy several websites of his, but after speaking to lawyers re: legality of them (affiliate-esque sites) and other potential investors in the project (well-known 2+2'ers) I had decided it was a bad idea. In keeping in line with confidentiality agreements, I didn't divulge the details of the project to raise capital for the purchase to Bob or anyone else, which is probably why he holds the viewpoint he does.

Of course, never once did I say something like "don't worry, you'll get your money" or something that unprofessional in a business deal.

But, whatever. You guys can choose to believe who you want. I've borrowed and lent five figures from and to many respected posters here that can speak up if they'd like - obviously I won't divulge their information without their permission.

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Oh, and FWIW, Bob's sites and products were well-planned out and I was duly impressed with them. It is unfortunate that the deal didn't go through for various reasons, but with the passing of the UIGEA and my backers and I speaking to two top gaming lawyers, it became an impossibility.

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Hey who hijacked my thread lol?

Interesting stuff going on in here.

So kyleb I'm just going to flat out ask the question here and you can answer it right here.

WHEN...ARE...YOU...GOING...TO...PAY...ME?

No ohh when I get to it, ohhh when epassporte pays, no sidetracking. Say a time so that BBV has a record of it. We are a week later now and have made no progress at all except that you have avoided saying anything productive.

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I'll send it tonight. Got FTP to reverse a cashout so I'll send it there since you don't want to wait for Stars. PM me your FTP name again since I'm at the office.