910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

5/10 NL
I have 9 10 clubs on button
Early position raises to 35 2 callers I call on button as does one of the blinds.

Flop KJ8 2 clubs
The raiser is on the donk side- likes to bluff but is not crazy
MP is an agressive player- is not a retard but very trappable

The flop is checked to me on the button
Pot is 185
Do I check or bet?

Pros of betting- build a pot if I hit
Might (unlikely) take it down now

Cons:
Initial raiser could be slowplaying a moster (although im a coinflip) I would prefer not to be blown of the hand if I can stack him for nothing if I hit

I decided to check
Had he led out and gotten 1 or 2 callers I would have popped it to 500 or so (obv call all in)
At this point even if he did have a monster there would be 400-500 dollars in dead money in the pot so thats cool with me
This would also free up flush outs(or even a queen if someone holds ace 10)

This player has had toruble making laydowns in the past (granted its not usually 5 handed to the flop) so this also made me lean towards a check

Flop thoughts

Turn a red 4

Initial raiser bets 100 One fold Mp calls now what?

Re: 910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

First off - I probably bet - you've got a frick'in monster - who cares if someone pops you...

also by betting the flop - they all might check to you on after the turn - you can take the free card then.

after the turn misses you - you should probably smooth call - if you hit, you'll get paid off nicely - if not, it cost you nothing. I wouldn't raise - with one card to come is not the time to get your money in.

Bet, bet, bet....

Re: 910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

How deep are you? and your opponents?

Re: 910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

sorry i was 1800 deep
oppoents 1000-1350 the turn better and callers had a 1250-1300 each

Re: 910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

Bet the flop for sure.

Re: 910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

On flop I would bet 100-120. You can't be raised out. You will at least thin the field and if the others just call, you have set up a good bluff on turn if you don't hit. If you hit, your draw is not that obvious to the others and you should have a good chance to take a nice pot.

Since you didn't bet the flop, I don't see any reason to raise the turn. Nothing has really changed that should make you choose a new strategy and now your odds to win are much smaller than on the flop. Just call and hit [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: 910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

betting flop is fine (and will be the default advice you receive here), checking flop, calling turn is also ok.

check flop, raise turn is a wack line that you should avoid

Re: 910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

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Bet the flop for sure.

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Re: 910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

I would 2/3 to 75% of the pot on the flop.

Re: 910 soooooooooooted 5 see flop....
 

i check raise all in on that flop all day, hopefully stealing tons of dead money as people want to cold call on the flop and not stack here (considering its 5 way)