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Dudd 12-02-2007 04:30 AM

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They also managed to win the game effectively losing the turnover battle 3-0, and really only one of those, Brennan's fumble, was caused by Washington, the other two just popped out, and they outgained Washington by over 100 yards. Was it a great performance, no, do I think they're one of the ten best teams in the country, of course not, even if they had impressively won the rest of their results were pretty weak. However, Washington luckboxed just as much if not more than Hawaii, it's not like they were a clearly inferior team tonight.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 04:31 AM

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Clark,

With all the [censored] you were talking about Hawaii early in the game, I can only assume that you haven't followed the Huskies much this year. They have played impressively in the first half or first three quarters before, only to implode late in the game.

I still agree with you that Hawaii is not very good, but it might take a BCS team better than 8th in its conference to expose them.

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Well, this was a BCS team that is last in its conference and they pretty much DID expose them.

Anyone want to guess what the spread vs. Georgia/LSU will be? 20?

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Your words in the other thread were "pwned the heck out of the Rainbows".

You talk all this [censored] cutting down Hawaii and then when they win a tough game, you cut down the team they beat? That's about as hypocritical as it gets, man. Worst. Argument. Ever.

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How is it hypocritical. Getting dominated by a last place major conference team early then luckboxing out a late win do nothing but prove that they are a fraud who deserves zero top 25 votes.

Francis_MH 12-02-2007 04:32 AM

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Nothing inconsistent at all with what I said. I never said the Rainbows would go winless in the Pac10. It's pretty obvious though that if they played in any of the major conferences they'd be lucky to be .500.

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I think they'd do well in the ACC, Big Ten, and Big East. Undefeated? NO. .500? No. somewhere in between. This is a solid team.

MyTurn2Raise 12-02-2007 04:32 AM

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Dudd, you forgot that Washington's lack of commitment to running the ball was worse than the plus 2 turnover battle (don't forget Washington's last turnover which sealed the game)

Edge34 12-02-2007 04:32 AM

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Nothing inconsistent at all with what I said. I never said the Rainbows would go winless in the Pac10. It's pretty obvious though that if they played in any of the major conferences they'd be lucky to be .500.

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You've been inconsistent enough just in your comments about this game.

They've beaten everybody who had the balls to face them. You'll never know how well they'd do because the mainland teams keep ducking Hawaii. They don't want to get embarrassed, plain and simple.

By the way, they're the Warriors.

MyTurn2Raise 12-02-2007 04:32 AM

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Nothing inconsistent at all with what I said. I never said the Rainbows would go winless in the Pac10. It's pretty obvious though that if they played in any of the major conferences they'd be lucky to be .500.

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I think they'd do well in the ACC, Big Ten, and Big East. Undefeated? NO. .500? No. somewhere in between. This is a solid team.

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They would be .500 or less in the Pac10, SEC, BigXII, and Big11Ten for sure

Neuge 12-02-2007 04:33 AM

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If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs.

If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over.

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This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii.

Edge34 12-02-2007 04:33 AM

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Clark,

With all the [censored] you were talking about Hawaii early in the game, I can only assume that you haven't followed the Huskies much this year. They have played impressively in the first half or first three quarters before, only to implode late in the game.

I still agree with you that Hawaii is not very good, but it might take a BCS team better than 8th in its conference to expose them.

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Well, this was a BCS team that is last in its conference and they pretty much DID expose them.

Anyone want to guess what the spread vs. Georgia/LSU will be? 20?

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Your words in the other thread were "pwned the heck out of the Rainbows".

You talk all this [censored] cutting down Hawaii and then when they win a tough game, you cut down the team they beat? That's about as hypocritical as it gets, man. Worst. Argument. Ever.

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How is it hypocritical. Getting dominated by a last place major conference team early then luckboxing out a late win do nothing but prove that they are a fraud who deserves zero top 25 votes.

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I guess a few turnovers by Hawaii early means they got outplayed? I look at 60 minutes of football, not 10 or 15.

You sit and cut them down before the game, then when they win and prove your BS wrong you try to backpedal and say even the win wasn't good enough. You're doing a piss-poor job of this tonight.

Dudd 12-02-2007 04:33 AM

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Dudd, you forgot that Washington's lack of commitment to running the ball was worse than the plus 2 turnover battle (don't forget Washington's last turnover which sealed the game)

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Well, you know what I think of Washington's coaching staff [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 04:34 AM

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They've beaten everybody who had the balls to face them

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bwahahahahahahaha

Rainbows4evah!

Edge34 12-02-2007 04:34 AM

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They've beaten everybody who had the balls to face them

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bwahahahahahahaha

Rainbows4evah!

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What's funny? Its true.

Simple fact is, Michigan was on their schedule, then UM backed out and replaced them with App State. Enough said.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 04:35 AM

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Clark,

With all the [censored] you were talking about Hawaii early in the game, I can only assume that you haven't followed the Huskies much this year. They have played impressively in the first half or first three quarters before, only to implode late in the game.

I still agree with you that Hawaii is not very good, but it might take a BCS team better than 8th in its conference to expose them.

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Well, this was a BCS team that is last in its conference and they pretty much DID expose them.

Anyone want to guess what the spread vs. Georgia/LSU will be? 20?

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Your words in the other thread were "pwned the heck out of the Rainbows".

You talk all this [censored] cutting down Hawaii and then when they win a tough game, you cut down the team they beat? That's about as hypocritical as it gets, man. Worst. Argument. Ever.

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How is it hypocritical. Getting dominated by a last place major conference team early then luckboxing out a late win do nothing but prove that they are a fraud who deserves zero top 25 votes.

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I guess a few turnovers by Hawaii early means they got outplayed? I look at 60 minutes of football, not 10 or 15.

You sit and cut them down before the game, then when they win and prove your BS wrong you try to backpedal and say even the win wasn't good enough. You're doing a piss-poor job of this tonight.

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So what did their life and death luckboxed home win against the last place team in the Pac10 prove, exactly?

MyTurn2Raise 12-02-2007 04:35 AM

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If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs.

If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over.

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This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii.

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right

in addition to the huge advantage it would give the team seeded, mythically, as #1 with having one less game on the way to the title

MyTurn2Raise 12-02-2007 04:36 AM

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They've beaten everybody who had the balls to face them

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bwahahahahahahaha

Rainbows4evah!

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What's funny? Its true.

Simple fact is, Michigan was on their schedule, then UM backed out and replaced them with App State. Enough said.

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but it is hawai'i's fault that the other teams backed out

they've created a hostile and dangerous environment for other teams

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 04:36 AM

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Dudd, you forgot that Washington's lack of commitment to running the ball was worse than the plus 2 turnover battle (don't forget Washington's last dropped routine easy TD pass that sealed the game)

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Edge34 12-02-2007 04:37 AM

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Clark,

With all the [censored] you were talking about Hawaii early in the game, I can only assume that you haven't followed the Huskies much this year. They have played impressively in the first half or first three quarters before, only to implode late in the game.

I still agree with you that Hawaii is not very good, but it might take a BCS team better than 8th in its conference to expose them.

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Well, this was a BCS team that is last in its conference and they pretty much DID expose them.

Anyone want to guess what the spread vs. Georgia/LSU will be? 20?

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Your words in the other thread were "pwned the heck out of the Rainbows".

You talk all this [censored] cutting down Hawaii and then when they win a tough game, you cut down the team they beat? That's about as hypocritical as it gets, man. Worst. Argument. Ever.

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How is it hypocritical. Getting dominated by a last place major conference team early then luckboxing out a late win do nothing but prove that they are a fraud who deserves zero top 25 votes.

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I guess a few turnovers by Hawaii early means they got outplayed? I look at 60 minutes of football, not 10 or 15.

You sit and cut them down before the game, then when they win and prove your BS wrong you try to backpedal and say even the win wasn't good enough. You're doing a piss-poor job of this tonight.

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So what did their life and death luckboxed home win against the last place team in the Pac10 prove, exactly?

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See, I can't argue with you because you're never going to be reasonable. I see a guy like Colt Brennan complete like 80% of his passes for 500 yards and 5 TDs and I see a hard fought win to battle out of the hole they put THEMSELVES in. You sit and talk about it like Washington did anything special.

As assani pointed out, you were also talking before the game about how Washington had played close games and were better than their 4-8 record. Which is it, sir? Are the Huskies the scrappers that are better than their record or are they just the bottom feeders?

Show some goddamn honesty and maybe we'll be able to talk.

BJLTNYK 12-02-2007 04:38 AM

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Curious how all the Hawaii bashers felt about Boise St last year.

MyTurn2Raise 12-02-2007 04:39 AM

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LOLlerskates


Washington ran something like 24 of the first 25 plays...when they went away from that ratio is when the game changed

Francis_MH 12-02-2007 04:39 AM

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Nothing inconsistent at all with what I said. I never said the Rainbows would go winless in the Pac10. It's pretty obvious though that if they played in any of the major conferences they'd be lucky to be .500.

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I think they'd do well in the ACC, Big Ten, and Big East. Undefeated? NO. .500? No. somewhere in between. This is a solid team.

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They would be .500 or less in the Pac10, SEC, BigXII, and Big11Ten for sure

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In the Big 12? Depending on their schedule and if in North or South, I think they can beat Baylor, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas State (who Fresno St. beat), Colorado, etc. I think they go over .500 in there. They may play Kansas, so well shall see..

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 04:39 AM

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So what did their life and death luckboxed home win against the last place team in the Pac10 prove, exactly?


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You keep saying that I'm not giving them credit, so please educate me as to what they proved today. Because what I saw, was a team that proved (and has at other times of the season as well) that they would be a sub-.500 team in major conference play.

Edge34 12-02-2007 04:40 AM

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Colt Brennan:

42 for 50, 442 yards, 5 TDs. 6 for 6 on the last drive of the game.

Jesus tap dancing Christ Clark, if that's "luck" I'd hate to see him actually play well.

Dudd 12-02-2007 04:40 AM

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Even so, you can't discount everything Hawaii did as late game clutch luckboxing and then turn around and say that Washington hitting a deep bomb late wasn't lucky, but the interception clearly was? Look, I agree with you, overtime against Louisiana Tech, San Jose State, and having to come back late against Nevada say it all, this is not an elite team, I just think you're being too harsh on them tonight.

Neuge 12-02-2007 04:40 AM

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As assani pointed out, you were also talking before the game about how Washington had played close games and were better than their 4-8 record. Which is it, sir? Are the Huskies the scrappers that are better than their record or are they just the bottom feeders?

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False dilemma. An argument for why UW could win != an argument for why Hawaii won.

NLSoldier 12-02-2007 04:40 AM

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clark,

when your QB is 42/49 with a zillion yards and 5 TDs how can you possibly argue they were outplayed? Without those fluky fumbles this would have been a rout.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 04:41 AM

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Curious how all the Hawaii bashers felt about Boise St last year.

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I thought BSU was better last year. I really thought Utah was a real real good team before that. This team, however, doesn't have any legit claim to being in a BCS game.

Edge34 12-02-2007 04:41 AM

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Washington ran something like 24 of the first 25 plays...when they went away from that ratio is when the game changed

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You also forget that the switch conveniently happened when Hawaii stopped turning the [censored] ball over. Hawaii stopped the run very well late.

Edge34 12-02-2007 04:42 AM

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clark,

when your QB is 42/49 with a zillion yards and 5 TDs how can you possibly argue they were outplayed? Without those fluky fumbles this would have been a rout.

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He's Clarkmeister. He must have been watching a different game than the rest of the world.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 04:42 AM

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clark,

when your QB is 42/49 with a zillion yards and 5 TDs how can you possibly argue they were outplayed? Without those fluky fumbles this would have been a rout.

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haha

La Brujita 12-02-2007 04:42 AM

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congrats hawaii

it has been a great season and although they came out flat they fought back quite well.

Dudd 12-02-2007 04:43 AM

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Boise State's blowout of Oregon State was much better than any of Hawaii's wins this year, and overall they were much more impressive in the Wac. Last year Boise would have been a good team in any conference, Hawaii this year, not so much.

iggymcfly 12-02-2007 04:43 AM

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FWIW, I think Illinois in the Rose Bowl is a way worse indictment of the BCS system than anything involving Hawaii.

Listen, I've been on the anti-Hawaii train all year. They played a terrible schedule early in the year and they'll likely get roasted by LSU or Georgia.

However, they went 12-0 including winning 3 fairly difficult games that I personally expected them to lose. At this point, just give them their shot to pull a miracle against an SEC power in the Sugar Bowl and if they do it, maybe give them a share of the title. What's wrong with that?

Edge34 12-02-2007 04:43 AM

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clark,

when your QB is 42/49 with a zillion yards and 5 TDs how can you possibly argue they were outplayed? Without those fluky fumbles this would have been a rout.

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haha

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Typical. Don't respond to the claim. Just laugh even though you know you're wrong.

I'm telling you, you're genius. Hawaii loses and you get to say "I told you so!" Hawaii wins and you bust out the "well, Washington is last place in the Pac-10" [censored]. You're awful.

MacGuyV 12-02-2007 04:44 AM

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Linda Cohn appears to have some decent boobs.

shipitkthx 12-02-2007 04:44 AM

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If Hawaii is that good, they win in playoffs.

If Hawaii sucks, they get killed first round, discussion over.

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This argument is illogical for advocating a playoff. If Hawaii is a fraud, they would likely take a playoff spot away from a team that actually had a better chance of winning than they did. It's not like the NCAA basketball tourney where almost any team that has even a remote chance of winning is included. In an 8-team playoff including Hawaii, it would probably exclude ASU and Tennessee would would both beat the [censored] out of Hawaii.

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right

in addition to the huge advantage it would give the team seeded, mythically, as #1 with having one less game on the way to the title

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I'm not saying a playoff system is perfect, no system is. But is a million times better than the trainwreck that exists now. I would much rather have a slightly flawed system where teams could fight it out on the field than a [censored] system based on popular opinion.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 04:44 AM

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Colt Brennan:

42 for 50, 442 yards, 5 TDs. 6 for 6 on the last drive of the game.

Jesus tap dancing Christ Clark, if that's "luck" I'd hate to see him actually play well.

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Man, with stats like that this team must've just annihilated their opposition all year right? Right?

Edge34 12-02-2007 04:46 AM

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Colt Brennan:

42 for 50, 442 yards, 5 TDs. 6 for 6 on the last drive of the game.

Jesus tap dancing Christ Clark, if that's "luck" I'd hate to see him actually play well.

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Man, with stats like that this team must've just annihilated their opposition all year right? Right?

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Date Opponent Time/Result
Sep 2 Northern Colorado Won 63-6
Sep 8 @Louisiana Tech Won 45-44
Sep 15 @UNLV Won 49-14
Sep 23 Charleston Southern Won 66-10
Sep 29 @Idaho Won 48-20
Oct 7 Utah St. Won 52-37
Oct 12 @San Jose St. Won 42-35
Oct 28 New Mexico St. Won 50-13
Nov 10 Fresno St. Won 37-30
Nov 16 @Nevada Won 28-26
Nov 23 Boise St. Won 39-27
Dec 1 Washington Won 35-28

Well, from the looks of it, they're 12-0. They pounded a lot of teams, and Boise and Fresno are Bowl teams in their conference. What's good enough for you? Do they have to win each game 70-0 to get the Clarkmeister seal of "I'll stop being a hypocrite finally"?

Billy Bibbit 12-02-2007 04:46 AM

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Listen, I've been on the anti-Hawaii train all year. They played a terrible schedule early in the year and they'll likely get roasted by LSU or Georgia.

However, they went 12-0 including winning 3 fairly difficult games that I personally expected them to lose. At this point, just give them their shot to pull a miracle against an SEC power in the Sugar Bowl and if they do it, maybe give them a share of the title. What's wrong with that?

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I pretty much agree with this. Nice to see Edge34 taking the personal attack route yet again.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 04:47 AM

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when your QB is 42/49 with a zillion yards and 5 TDs how can you possibly argue they were outplayed? Without those fluky fumbles this would have been a rout.

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haha

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Typical. Don't respond to the claim. Just laugh even though you know you're wrong.

I'm telling you, you're genius. Hawaii loses and you get to say "I told you so!" Hawaii wins and you bust out the "well, Washington is last place in the Pac-10" [censored]. You're awful.

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Hey, they had a nice little season slipping by one of the worst schedules in the nation with no losses when they probabaly should've had 2. Be happy.

Edge34 12-02-2007 04:47 AM

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Listen, I've been on the anti-Hawaii train all year. They played a terrible schedule early in the year and they'll likely get roasted by LSU or Georgia.

However, they went 12-0 including winning 3 fairly difficult games that I personally expected them to lose. At this point, just give them their shot to pull a miracle against an SEC power in the Sugar Bowl and if they do it, maybe give them a share of the title. What's wrong with that?

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I pretty much agree with this. Nice to see Edge34 taking the personal attack route yet again.

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Oh shut it. I'm pointing out how big of a hypocrite Clark is being, and if you can't see that, its sad. I haven't made one personal "attack".

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Sep 8 @Louisiana Tech Won 45-44
Oct 12 @San Jose St. Won 42-35
Nov 10 Fresno St. Won 37-30
Nov 16 @Nevada Won 28-26
Dec 1 Washington Won 35-28


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