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Wish 11-20-2007 02:00 AM

TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
Poker Stars
4/180 No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1655
UTG+1: t1190
MP1: t1535
MP2: t2060
Hero: t2495
CO: t3315
Button: t2170
SB: t1345
BB: t3115

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP2 calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t45)</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t120</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to t1200</font>, MP2 folds,

Action is on me. Completely baffled by villain's line here. Had only been at the table for 2 orbits or so, and villain had shown down two hands, both AQo (one of which was after a pre-flop 60BB reraise shove).

pokerfreak_21 11-20-2007 02:49 AM

Re: TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
even if you have the best hand(which you prolly do) i dont like risking my whole stack this early. I fold here

OrrLives 11-20-2007 03:36 AM

Re: TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
Super easy fold without read.

elcastigador 11-20-2007 04:39 AM

Re: TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
Sometimes early on I even limp w/ 1010 here, but some may think that's too nitty. No reads? Fold.

ThePershore 11-20-2007 08:37 AM

Re: TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
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Super easy fold without read.

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TheFoxNL 11-20-2007 09:29 AM

Re: TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
uuh ? what ?

how can u guys call this a super easy fold ... ?
this is a shove for me against this villian all time

if he calls a 60BB shove or is the one shoving 60BB with AQo

besides this is 4/180 at 15/30 i dont mind taking this flip here
if you put his range at JJ+ AQo+ KQo+
then ur about 40/60 dog
if he doesnt have a pair bigger then you then youre 60/40 favorite

depends just on how much you mind taking early shot
but IMO
Shove it win it and go on
Shove it Lose and open up a new one

Pokerfarian 11-20-2007 09:59 AM

Re: TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
I'd be tempted by the (villian is a moron) + (TT does well against a moron's range) = shove line. Close.

Dave D 11-20-2007 10:04 AM

Re: TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
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i dont like risking my whole stack this early. I fold here

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No. Bad reason.

My move here depends somewhat on site/buy in. These wierdo overbets seem to almost always be QQ+. He's trying to make you think he's an idiot etc etc. I think I'd still call here especially the lower the buy in, but a fold is probably ok just because of the read I gave you.

I think pretty much in a 4/180 this is a call though. Paging [censored] I guess.

JammyDodga 11-20-2007 11:14 AM

Re: TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
Huge re-raise are often mind pairs in these kind of tourneys, I think youa re ahead of his range and he will call alot. I wouldn't be suprised to see JJ, but I think thats the only hand youa re worried about.

Also, saying you probably have the best hand but fold is just plain dumb...

WMetcalf 11-20-2007 11:34 AM

Re: TT faces 10x reraise. WTF to do here?
 
As played, I think it's a fold since you're dominated some and you dominate rarely. However, can we talk about the raise size? Doesn't raising more reduce villan's range for shoving over and also make limper's call of our raise (absent the shove) less correct? I guess, I'm asking what the purpose of the 120 raise is since it prices the limper into the pot and encourages CO and Button to come along?


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