playing QQ in a wierd sng movement
 

This is from a live sng.

UTG seems loose (way loose) aggresive. doesnt really know the meaning of odds, but didn't play garbage so far.
overvalue to pairs & ace high (treats AQo as AA). everyone notice that as far as I can tell.

UTG+1 is a loose passive.

it's early at the 2nd SNG we play.
blinds 30/60, 8 opp. stack ~3000.

Hero, on the button, dealt QQ.
UTG raises to 400 (??)
UTG+1 min raise to 800.
MP call 800.
Hero (mumble "WTF?") ??

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In a 8 person sng when utg+1 might be reacting to utg's looseness, I can't see folding QQ. I am shoving it in. MPs flat call shouldn't worry you. Seems like your friends/villains are big donks to be honest and can't give anyone credit for a huge hand. If it was JJ I could find a fold, QQ I just can't get away from.

$ amount for sng and payout structure is important.

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45$+5$ to the house. 1st $270, 2nd 90$.

Most of the villains are indeed donks, but even a donk can have AA.

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put on your "you guys a screwed" face and stick it in.

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Most of the villains are indeed donks, but even a donk can have AA.

[/ QUOTE ] then you should tighten your range to KK+, maybe AA only.

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UTG looked prety confident with his hand, and I didn't figure what UTG+1 have. does he tried to scare UTG? does he try to isolate the play? wtf is this min hugh raise?
I put MP on JJ, and this was started being damn sick.

So after a long consideration, I called. what do you think of that move here?

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calling is by far the worst option. You don't want to play a 4 way pot w/ 3200 in the middle. Push>>>>fold>>>>call. Chances are if you flat, there will be a raise and re-raise before the action gets to you, making a very tough call or fold. Shove it in with all the chips in the middle. Taking is down pre is definitely not bad.

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Shove this all day.

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I don't understand this line of thinking. I suspect one of those might have KK+.
This is far beyond regular action, and there are 3 more opp in.
UTG+1 and MP are not that dumb just min raise/flat call to this hugh pot.

I dont understand why shoving is better then calling/fold if there's no Q on the flop.

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UTG+1 and MP are not that dumb just min raise/flat call to this hugh pot.

[/ QUOTE ]if UTG+1 minraises with AA thats fancy, seriously. If MP flats with AK, KK it's just dumb - AA would be on the margin to fancy. And if UTG is raising KK or AA for 7bb he is dumb too.

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I dont care about them, I care about me. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
dumb or fancy as they are.

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in addition to fancy it would be highly unusual

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I dont care about them, I care about me. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
dumb or fancy as they are.

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then stop learning poker because the better you get the more about the people poker is.
now, use the force and stare through some souls!
UTG has some small pocket, min raise has to have tens or better making a play to isolate UTG, flat call looks like AK and cant dump it. if he had AA i really think that he would shove but with donks it is hard to say what they will do. i dont see UTG reraising because it looks like a Small pocket. i odnt mind a flat call because you get to see what everyone is going to do on flop and if it is super heavy with out a Q on board check fold.

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I had a similar situation the other day with QQ. UTG raised 4x and got two callers. In the SB I pushed. Got called by J10o. My QQ held up but UTG with 88 who had folded to the push asked me if I had considered calling. I explained that I didn't want to give the other hands a chance to hit. Good thing because he would have hit quads. So I don't think calling is an option in your hand. And I am not folding my lovely ladies.

Eva Gabor

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ok, results:

After a long consideration I just flat call.
I just knew one of those hands had me.
UTG call.

flop came
T84r

UTG pushed. UTG+1 pushed. MP mucked. Hero.. mucked.
UTG shows TT, UTG+1 shows AA. (MP later showed JJ, which complete the set on the turn)

I think calling was the right move pf. I still not sure if I shouldve fold pf. never pushing with 3 opp in this pot, but maybe it's because I prefer cash tables.

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with no reads on what donks do you played this perfectly. give yourself high five.

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I push preflop.
Results don't matter.
The payoutstructure makes this a pretty easy one.