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LuckySal 06-04-2007 08:06 PM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post10657233

Markusgc 06-05-2007 12:53 AM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
I'm not sure about your c-bet. I think it should be less if you're even considering folding to a raise. With your read that he reraises often - and his possible read that you fold to them, I think you should bet about the pot (like 3500ish) and call reraise that puts you all in. Maybe just open-shove it for max. FE. You're getting the correct odds on the flush draw (or close, if he has 1-2 of 'em) and a A might win the pot too.

Board: Kd Jd 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.333% 41.33% 00.00% 6138 0.00 { Ad9d }
Hand 1: 58.667% 58.67% 00.00% 8712 0.00 { KJo+ }

MJBuddy 06-05-2007 03:30 AM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
He could be making this move with a pair, a straight drawn, a weaker flush draw, or a PP.

I see this as a move around 75% of the time as well. I'm Check/Jamming or throwing a smaller CBet to appear much weaker than I am.

DeuceSeven 06-05-2007 03:43 AM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
[ QUOTE ]
HERO = 6 out of 18 left

Reads: Have seen him Raising en Reraising above average. I folded a RR (on the same Level) once before.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 (t15734)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t14490)</font>
MP2 (t8172)
MP3 (t21075)
<font color="#C00000">CO (t20550)</font>
Button (t20960)
SB (t14312)
BB (t21458)
UTG (t6029)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1650</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t1650, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t3700) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t2400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t14400</font>, Hero ?????

[/ QUOTE ]

You're converter is [censored] up. There should be 4700 in the pot on the flop (450 from antes + 900 in blinds + 3200 from your raise and CO's call). There should be 4500 in the pot.

At a neutral table (not alot of callers to a standard raise) raising here pf is fine, if it's like most 4.40 tables I'm at I just fold cause everyone and their mom calls. As played and if there's 4500 before any bets on the flop then a call is mandatory as you will be getting about 2:1 to call which is the worst you can be behind.

EDIT: I lead out with a shove on this flop. Nearly 50% of your stack is in the pot, you're short, plus throw in some FE.

All_In_Olly 06-05-2007 06:11 AM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
Pre flop I fold unless table has been playing really really tight (which it may be at this stage of the tourney).

I prefer a check on the flop here intending a check-raise AI (with fold equity this is profitable), if he checks behind then you see a free card anyway.
Your bet size is too small here also, either bet at least 2/3s or check.

As played, and assuming I've got the calculations right (I have 4650 in the pot on the flop, 8040 for you to call his AI bet) it's 31.5% pot odds for you to call and you have 35% prob of hitting the nut flush so easy call (even more easy when you factor in times hes bluffing)

jon_1van 06-05-2007 09:48 AM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
If you think your opponent is gonna go crazy regardless then you should check call the flop.

If he checks behind, you get a free card which is good.
If he bets a regular amount you have great odds to call because you'd have good implied odds given your opponent
If he bets an insane amount...meh..go with his history.

LuckySal 06-05-2007 10:16 AM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
HERO = 6 out of 18 left

Reads: Have seen him Raising en Reraising above average. I folded a RR (on the same Level) once before.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 (t15734)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t14490)</font>
MP2 (t8172)
MP3 (t21075)
<font color="#C00000">CO (t20550)</font>
Button (t20960)
SB (t14312)
BB (t21458)
UTG (t6029)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1650</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t1650, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t3700) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t2400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t14400</font>, Hero ?????

[/ QUOTE ]

You're converter is [censored] up. There should be 4700 in the pot on the flop (450 from antes + 900 in blinds + 3200 from your raise and CO's call). There should be 4500 in the pot.

At a neutral table (not alot of callers to a standard raise) raising here pf is fine, if it's like most 4.40 tables I'm at I just fold cause everyone and their mom calls. As played and if there's 4500 before any bets on the flop then a call is mandatory as you will be getting about 2:1 to call which is the worst you can be behind.

EDIT: I lead out with a shove on this flop. Nearly 50% of your stack is in the pot, you're short, plus throw in some FE.

[/ QUOTE ]

I honestly don't now how this happen. I will include HH.

POKERSTARS $4.00+$0.40 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL IX (300/600) -
Seat 1: Mücke1983 (15734 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO (14490 in chips)
Seat 3: DMac1 (8172 in chips)
Seat 4: Jtje (21075 in chips)
Seat 5: VILLIAN (20550 in chips)
Seat 6: KMG711 (20960 in chips)
Seat 7: Hashin (14312 in chips)
Seat 8: Grangousier (21458 in chips)
Seat 9: RoninShima (6029 in chips)
Mücke1983: posts the ante 50
HERO: posts the ante 50
DMac1: posts the ante 50
Jtje: posts the ante 50
VILLIAN: posts the ante 50
KMG711: posts the ante 50
Hashin: posts the ante 50
Grangousier: posts the ante 50
RoninShima: posts the ante 50
Hashin: posts small blind 300
Grangousier: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ad 9d]
RoninShima: folds
Mücke1983: folds
HERO: raises 1050 to 1650
DMac1: folds
Jtje: folds
VILLIAN: calls 1650
KMG711: folds
Hashin: folds
Grangousier: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd 7h Kd]
HERO: bets 2400
VILLIAN: raises 12000 to 14400

BromfieldWizard 06-05-2007 12:15 PM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
Leading this flop is asking for trouble. CRAI seems reasonable.

DeuceSeven 06-06-2007 12:43 AM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
I don't like the CRAI cause villain's gonna be priced in to call with anything, especially if he makes a pot sized bet. If you shove you might get villain to fold 2nd pair, which is a great result. If we were deeper I don't mind a crai.

wulfpacker21 06-06-2007 12:45 AM

Re: $4.40 180man STT on stars----->>>what\'s my move???
 
i fold unless the table is tight


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