bet this river !?
 

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villian(sb) is 46/21 and att steal blinds: 37


hero in the BB w/ T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2fold, OTB limp, SB raises, I 3ball, both call
*** FLOP *** [K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
SB checks, hero bet, OTB folds and SB calls
*** TURN *** [8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
check, bet, call
*** RIVER *** [Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
SB checks and I.....

Re: bet this river !?
 

My standard play is to B/F, if he bets smaller pps, AHigh and missed FDs when checked to, you could c/c. I think his range is weighed towards 8x 6x and diamond draws (maybe also some sds in his range).

Re: bet this river !?
 

This is a really easy river bet. Did you think he was calling with unders?

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This is a really easy river bet. Did you think he was calling with unders?

[/ QUOTE ] He could be calling with qx of diamonds..

Re: bet this river !?
 

After fooling around with stove for a while, I think this is a pretty easy bet. There's lots of A8, A6, lower PP's that he will look you up with. He could easily call down with garbage like AJ or AT here also.

There isn't really any hand that he can checkraise on this river, either, unless he has a scared KQ or a feisty AQ.

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if i bluff this river with my missed jt flushdraw(just an example! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]) someone allways calls with 22 ... so i guess, easy valuebet! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Nah seriously, i think as long as your pair is higher than the second flop pair und ur opponent played c/c flop c/c turn it is allways a value bet.

Re: bet this river !?
 

against this villain I b/f (although I'm tempted to b/c) because when LAGs taking passive postflop lines it usually is with weak SDable hands and not draws, so you can v-bet against a ton of low pkts and 8s 6s and even maybe some 4s.

if this was a loose passive or tight passive I would be much more tempted to c/c and try to pick off bluffing diamonds or straight draws.

Re: bet this river !?
 

You gave some stats but most important to me is went to SD. If its 45+ I definitely bet. 40+ gray area. Less than 40 I check.

-DeathDonkey

Re: bet this river !?
 

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You gave some stats but most important to me is went to SD. If its 45+ I definitely bet. 40+ gray area. Less than 40 I check.

-DeathDonkey

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WTSD takes so long to converge that I've stopped looking at it. I bet this for sure for reasons mentioned above.

Re: bet this river !?
 

45+ wtsd is HUGE. if 40-45 is gray then you really feel unsure of this bet. i don't think this is close except against tight passive tags. i played one of those today. played exactly this type of hand. i checked JJ on the river on another overcard and his K8 scooped on K425Q. the difference here is this guy is 46/21 so

1. he likely gets more action in general and is likely to showdown lighter.
2. there are more cards on this board that hit his range vs. the board in my hand.

i don't think it's close and would bet, as nina said, without even thinking about looking at his wtsd.

Re: bet this river !?
 

people really ck call down K8 on that board miles? wow what was preflop action?

id bet here vs anyone, I think even KJ KT the worst better hands in his range should cr the flop (anyone disagree?). Too much of everyones range now a days is non Ks when they play it passive, this is a worse pair way more than 50% of the time in my experience esp vs this type of player, the Q hit no draws and most everyone pays off a pair after this line, and I think u get cr'd like never here so even bet call is better than ck

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ok so it was a BIT different.

i was actually recording a video while i played this hand. too bad i couldn't fine tune camstudio because the audio was trash so i just deleted the video.

Absolute Poker $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6.60 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (4.80 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP folds.

River: (6.80 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.80 BB

Results:
Hero mucks Js, Jc.
BB shows 8d, Kd (One pair, kings).

Re: bet this river !?
 

See I just don't know what you guys are up against. Every time I see a 45/20ish guy preflop I assume his went to SD is like 55 which I see all the time. Hell I'm ~42% and all the fish go to showdown more than me.

-DeathDonkey

Re: bet this river !?
 

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See I just don't know what you guys are up against. Every time I see a 45/20ish guy preflop I assume his went to SD is like 55 which I see all the time. Hell I'm ~42% and all the fish go to showdown more than me.

-DeathDonkey

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you mean because you play at higher limits? this is actually a bit confusing to me: why is it that the optimal wtsd seems to be higher at higher limits?

Re: bet this river !?
 

I agree, bet. If he raises I probably think "folding is best here" while moving my mouse over the call button and clicking. This is why I suck. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Re: bet this river !?
 

wtsd is over 168hands 41.98 lol I dont think that tells anything

Re: bet this river !?
 

oh and I did bet and he showed KJ