How to get rid of short stackers
 

Convince a poker site to offer sit and goes with a reasonable rake. Then the short stackers could play the game they want to play (20bbs) without paying 90 an hour in rake per table.

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lol shortstackers don't want to play with other 20bb stacks, do you even know how shortstacking "works"?

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when i see a hit n runner sitting with a regular hu I'll tell the reg in chat that the person he's playing is a HnRunner. [censored] shortstack hit n runners

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lol shortstackers don't want to play with other 20bb stacks, do you even know how shortstacking "works"?

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Yes I know how it "works" and if it didnt work it wouldnt bother people.

I realize they have an advantage against multiple deep stack opponents. They still need to know how to play a small stack. Where do you think they learned that?

I would bet a lot of them rose through SNGs. The high stakes SNGs are raked at an absurdly high level. They dry up. Thus someone who was "good" at short stacked poker (after all they are making money) Has no where to go but over to the very low raked cash games. Its economics.

You are bothered by short stackers. The sites dont want to lose them as customers. I purpose a solution. "lol" sorry

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you're wrong, just stop it, you are only hurting our cause.

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you're wrong, just stop

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Shortstacking's mathematical edge does not avail itself in HU play. It's merely annoying to get hit and run vs, but I have made tons playing people who buy in for 20BB's HU, (most are which are not "shortstackers" per se, however).

Also, they don't pay NEAR $90 rake per table hour. Shortstackers probably pay less effective rake that most any other type of player, and even still, the average 10-20 NL 6M player pays ~$20-25 rake per hour.

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Shortstacking hit and runner and proud of it

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i hate shortstackers with a passion. i think increasing the amount of time befor they can sit down with minimum again to 4 or more hours would work well as this means that they could not sit twice at the same table in the same session.

i dont mind shortstackers who keep playing, just the ones that double up, leave, then are back as soon as they can buy in for min.

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i have a novel idea: increase the min buyin at the tables. and increase the wait time before being able to buy in again with less than you left. and shoot them in the head. and stop making threads on 2p2.

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Convince the poker sites to add tables with fixed 100bb buyins.

Or you can conspire against them. If they're all-in in EP, everyone at the table calls, then checks it down tourney-style. Individually you might be a dog to the ratholer, but collectively you're ahead. Use numbers to take the odds away.

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Or you can conspire against them. If they're all-in in EP, everyone at the table calls, then checks it down tourney-style. Individually you might be a dog to the ratholer, but collectively you're ahead. Use numbers to take the odds away.

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LOL..

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Or you can conspire against them. If they're all-in in EP, everyone at the table calls, then checks it down tourney-style. Individually you might be a dog to the ratholer, but collectively you're ahead. Use numbers to take the odds away.

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LOL..

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Man if I could find a group of idiots to do this I could make a fortune. Hell, I would even just push or fold from any position with any stack if I was guaranteed everyone after me would call regardless.

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all greatly appreciated fresh and helpful ideas.

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hu shortstackers are the worst and so profitable to play versus. they'll often leave after they double up but if they lose they'll typically reload a bunch of times. i've even had shortstackers martingale me. first they sit with 400 (10/20), then they reload for 800, then 1000, then 2000 and hey presto you've got like 3 full buyins from a guy who originally sat with 20 bb's. holla.

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Convince the poker sites to add tables with fixed 100bb buyins.

Or you can conspire against them. If they're all-in in EP, everyone at the table calls, then checks it down tourney-style. Individually you might be a dog to the ratholer, but collectively you're ahead. Use numbers to take the odds away.

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jesus christ.

YEAH THE BEST WAY TO COMBAT SHORTSTACKERS IS TO [censored] HAND THEM MONEY.

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LDO. Then they won't be shortstacked. I always try to double them up very quickly so that they leave and don't bother me any more.

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hu shortstackers are the worst and so profitable to play versus. they'll often leave after they double up but if they lose they'll typically reload a bunch of times. i've even had shortstackers martingale me. first they sit with 400 (10/20), then they reload for 800, then 1000, then 2000 and hey presto you've got like 3 full buyins from a guy who originally sat with 20 bb's. holla.

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lol

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lol shortstackers don't want to play with other 20bb stacks, do you even know how shortstacking "works"?

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Yes I know how it "works" and if it didnt work it wouldnt bother people.

I realize they have an advantage against multiple deep stack opponents. They still need to know how to play a small stack. Where do you think they learned that?

I would bet a lot of them rose through SNGs. The high stakes SNGs are raked at an absurdly high level. They dry up. Thus someone who was "good" at short stacked poker (after all they are making money) Has no where to go but over to the very low raked cash games. Its economics.

You are bothered by short stackers. The sites dont want to lose them as customers. I purpose a solution. "lol" sorry

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a lot of the good high stakes short stackers were pretty decent mid/high cash players, not SNG players. None of them "want" to be playing SNGs...

I can pretty conclusively say that your idea is retarded and wont work but I think that point's been hammered home pretty hard already

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i always try and get regs to put bounties on the short stackers head, which may be stupid...but i figure if two of us decide to 'gamble' with a shorty in a pot with hopes of busting him, that we will, and eventually he'll jsut leave.

prob unethical, but so is ratholing...but i have not gotten anyone to do this with me.

but i think it be awesome, if you have a table of like 2 or 3 regs that agree if a short shoves pf, and no one really has a legit hand, to just get in iwth him pf and try and bust him...of course this may have to be decided before the hand...but meh.

i guess getting tables to up min buy-ins could help too [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Why don't we message each other our hands so we can narrow down the shortstacker scums range??? Then we can decide who goes all in with him.

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i approve!

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Its a jump...to conclusions mat. There are different "conclusions" on the mat...and you jump to them.

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Convince the poker sites to add tables with fixed 100bb buyins.

Or you can conspire against them. If they're all-in in EP, everyone at the table calls, then checks it down tourney-style. Individually you might be a dog to the ratholer, but collectively you're ahead. Use numbers to take the odds away.

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jesus christ.

YEAH THE BEST WAY TO COMBAT SHORTSTACKERS IS TO [censored] HAND THEM MONEY.

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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! THERE ARE 8 OF US AND 1 OF THEM WE'LL WIN ALMOST EVERY TIME!

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no wait, the only move they know is shoving over raises, so if we just make sure that somebody raises to 25bb before the shorty has a chance to act they cant ever do that. once they realize they cant shove anymore, they'll just get confused and leave!

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If you want shortstacking banned, it's only fair that 3-betting and check-raising is banned too.

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If you want shortstacking banned, it's only fair that 3-betting and check-raising is banned too.

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Sigh...another one of these threads.

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A good argument sucks doesn't it? Poker sites don't exist so you can stack noobs for 100bb's.

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pretty funny how 1/3 of the people posting in this thread are shortstackers

namely Kurosh lol

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just call them light and suck out.

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A good argument sucks doesn't it? Poker sites don't exist so you can stack noobs for 100bb's.

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i'm sorry that you lose at poker

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A good argument sucks doesn't it? Poker sites don't exist so you can stack noobs for 100bb's.

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QFT!

they exist so noobies can buy-in for 10bb every 30 min, dbl up, leave, return: rinse and repeat! duhhhhhhhhhh

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Haha this thread is awesome.

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A good argument sucks doesn't it? Poker sites don't exist so you can stack noobs for 100bb's.

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QFT!

they exist so noobies can buy-in for 10bb every 30 min, dbl up, leave, return: rinse and repeat! duhhhhhhhhhh

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Lol, but sometimes they run bad. I knew a guy who used to play 200nl and had a reasonable bankroll of 13k for it. But he decided that his bankroll was enough for 5/10 if he shortstacked it, he still had over 50 BI's right? Took the CHOO CHOO train all the way to bustoville.

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i always try and get regs to put bounties on the short stackers head, which may be stupid...but i figure if two of us decide to 'gamble' with a shorty in a pot with hopes of busting him, that we will, and eventually he'll jsut leave.

prob unethical, but so is ratholing...but i have not gotten anyone to do this with me.

but i think it be awesome, if you have a table of like 2 or 3 regs that agree if a short shoves pf, and no one really has a legit hand, to just get in iwth him pf and try and bust him...of course this may have to be decided before the hand...but meh.

i guess getting tables to up min buy-ins could help too [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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this HAS to be a level....right? right? ...

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Convince a poker site to offer sit and goes with a reasonable rake. Then the short stackers could play the game they want to play (20bbs) without paying 90 an hour in rake per table.

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Full Tilt have been offering 30bb cap tables for a year now. Their cap tables are nearly always empty above microlimits. There's just no interest in shorter-stacked players playing one another.