nl100 - overpair vs BB, board pairs on turn
 

This may be super-standard, but I'm very inexperienced at NL, so please bear with me...

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $93.25
BB: $104.35
UTG: $102.95
UTG+1: $99.60
MP1: $215.10
MP2: $27.45
Hero (MP3): $135.20
CO: $37.05
BTN: $19.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, CO calls $4.00, 2 folds, BB calls $3.00, UTG+1 calls $3.00

Flop: ($16.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, CO folds, BB calls $16.00, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($48.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero...

Re: nl100 - overpair vs BB, board pairs on turn
 

Make it 5 preflop, flop is fine, turn is fine if you made it like 34.

Re: nl100 - overpair vs BB, board pairs on turn
 

That 4 is a good card. 38, call a shove.

Re: nl100 - overpair vs BB, board pairs on turn
 

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That 4 is a good card. 38, call a shove.

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So this makes the pot equal to the size of the villain's remaining stack, and if he shoves, I'm getting 2-1 on a call.

Villain is unknown...if he shoves, aren't I drawing to either 2 outs (against trips/FH) or 4 outs (straight) the vast majority of the time? Is this a call I really want to me making? (This isn't the line I took, but this is one of the outcomes that was bothering me as I was looking at the hand in retrospect.)

Or are 55, 66, 88, 99, FD shoving often enough to make the call profitable? I understand if I give him this range, then it becomes a math problem, but I'm just wondering if "typical" opponents in these games are really pulling moves like this?

Re: nl100 - overpair vs BB, board pairs on turn
 

bet/call

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So this makes the pot equal to the size of the villain's remaining stack, and if he shoves, I'm getting 2-1 on a call.

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No, if you bet then his all in will be like a half pot raise and you will be getting 3:1. Basically here you have to bet for value, and if you bet for value you have to call since you've put in half the effective stacks and it's the turn.

Re: nl100 - overpair vs BB, board pairs on turn
 

I think you have to add A6 and A5 of spades to the villain's range. And A4 of spades, which you're now trailing.

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So this makes the pot equal to the size of the villain's remaining stack, and if he shoves, I'm getting 2-1 on a call.

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No, if you bet then his all in will be like a half pot raise and you will be getting 3:1. Basically here you have to bet for value, and if you bet for value you have to call since you've put in half the effective stacks and it's the turn.

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Gah. I'm dumb. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

FWIW, my thought process at the time was:
- folding seems unwise (and I don't think the software at this site allows it anyway)
- checking is out of the question
- so, bet...the amount was what I was getting hung up on.

So, thanks all...I understand this situation a lot better now.