Straddle or Kill
 

Playing 10/20 LHE w/ half kill. My local room does not allow anybody to straddle during a kill hand (side question is this a standard rule?). Game is playing great with 3-5 straddles per orbit and lots of action. UTG throws out $20, dealer announces "live straddle" and begins to deal the cards. As the dealer's dealing the second down cards, a player in MP says "kill pot" and posts his $15 as he's won the last 2 hands. Dealer's unsure what to do since he's already announced the straddle and had forgotten this should be a kill pot.

A few players begin to discuss what should happen. Being a nit I tell the dealer he should probably call the floor. Which should stand the kill pot or the straddle?

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A few players begin to discuss what should happen. Being a nit I tell the dealer he should probably call the floor. Which should stand the kill pot or the straddle?

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This is a kill pot. Posting the kill is not an option, it is mandatory. It is a pretty standard rule that you cannot straddle on a kill pot. I don't know a good reason why you can't straddle the kill, but I have never seen it allowed.

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Kill pot should stand, straddle is not allowed on kill pot

I have found this to be universal and used to play a lot of limit omaha h/l where kills were common and a player was never allowed to straddle a kill

I agree that I cant figure out why this wouldnt be allowed. It would just create a weird situation if there was a $20 straddle in this game then everyone called the $20 then would the straddler be able to go up to $30 or $35, its just a weird $5 1/3 raise straddle and I cant figure out how to deal with it in relation to the new kill structure on the hand

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Straddle is allowed in a kill pot at the Capitol Casino in Sacramento, but the kill is not required to post and is free to fold pre-flop for free.

Strangest way I have ever seen kills and stradles handled.

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we straddle the kill in north seattle. but they're low limit donk games.

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Straddle is allowed in a kill pot at the Capitol Casino in Sacramento, but the kill is not required to post and is free to fold pre-flop for free.

Strangest way I have ever seen kills and stradles handled.

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i agree so weird

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we straddle the kill in north seattle. but they're low limit donk games.

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How much does the straddler get to post, for exapmle, if its a $3/6 game with full 6/12 kill, can the straddler post $12 and be given the option to raise to $18?

I tried to keep this example easier as my example above with the half kill is more confusing to deal with and slightly more interesting

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A few players begin to discuss what should happen. Being a nit I tell the dealer he should probably call the floor. Which should stand the kill pot or the straddle?

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This is a kill pot. Posting the kill is not an option, it is mandatory. It is a pretty standard rule that you cannot straddle on a kill pot. I don't know a good reason why you can't straddle the kill, but I have never seen it allowed.

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I saw it allowed in one room. It was in Palace Station and I have no idea if they still allow it.

Re: Straddle or Kill
 

Dealer should have called the floor, kill will stand and the straddle will be pulled back. If the second card is already being dealt then floor may call a misdeal due to significant action.

Where I deal you can straddle after a kill. Our games are mostly low limit so it doesn't happen much but our 3/6 games sometimes see that $12 come out as a straddled kill.

Dan's 2 cents

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Floor ruled it a straddle, and the killer would have to wait 1 hand to post his kill. The fact that everybody in this thread disagreed with the ruling speaks to how good the floor is.

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we straddle the kill in north seattle. but they're low limit donk games.

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How much does the straddler get to post, for exapmle, if its a $3/6 game with full 6/12 kill, can the straddler post $12 and be given the option to raise to $18?

I tried to keep this example easier as my example above with the half kill is more confusing to deal with and slightly more interesting

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in a 3/6 kill game (6/12), the killer posts 6 from whatever his position is and UTG can straddle to 12 if he wishes. both are live, but UTG has last action.