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popeye18 09-20-2007 07:08 PM

ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
Both villains have been playing tight pf. What now?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($14.85)
UTG ($25.75)
MP ($36.30)
Button ($25.35)
Hero ($29.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, BB calls $0.75, Button calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, BB calls $1.75, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3.5</font>

panda 09-20-2007 07:13 PM

Re: ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
Raise more preflop, I'd normally make it around 6BB here, you need to punish the button open limper more than you have.

Because he open limped the button I doubt I'm capable of doing any thing other than labeling him a donkey and stacking off here. I don't there's much difference between a reraise and calling a push and just calling and check/raising turn.

Milky 09-20-2007 07:22 PM

Re: ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
Eek, that's a scary spot, especially with BB cold-calling. I think I'd call the flop and c/f turn UI. They could have something like JT or 67 but they can also have A8, A9, 89, 88, 99, and the very unlikely AA. I'm guessing one of them is on a draw and the other one has you beat but who knows.

panda 09-20-2007 07:25 PM

Re: ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
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Eek, that's a scary spot, especially with BB cold-calling. I think I'd call the flop and c/f turn UI. They could have something like JT or 67 but they can also have A8, A9, 89, 88, 99, and the very unlikely AA. I'm guessing one of them is on a draw and the other one has you beat but who knows.

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I didn't see BB's call, that makes this even more of a reraise on the flop.

88, 99, especially AA and even A8 and A9 are made more unlikely by his button open limp. There's so many random Ax hands in buttons range that you are way ahead of.

Ramana 09-20-2007 07:40 PM

Re: ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
We can't jsut call here. One guy may be drawing to phenomanal odds, the other paralyzing us with just Ax. AK has too much value in this spot to be played passively. I RR here, if he shoves, i call. Sometimes you will lose, but there's enough dead money in the pot+NL25 donk-plays make this +EV.

Stats are important here.

mvdgaag 09-20-2007 07:59 PM

Re: ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
I think you're beat quite often... Even if he does this with AQ and AJ there's still 88, 99, A8, A9, 98 and it's going to cost us a lot, being OOP, to find out if we're beat. I fold.

mvdgaag 09-20-2007 08:02 PM

Re: ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
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There's so many random Ax hands in buttons range that you are way ahead of.

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It would take a good read to put him on a weak ace here IMO. Few villains will raise with that crap. Some do it habitually though, losing money to 'find out where they stand'...

BigNads79 09-20-2007 08:04 PM

Re: ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
I either just complete or raise to $2 preflop and then check/raise the flop either way, folding to a reraise, and check/folding to a sizable bet on the turn/river.

As played, I think I fold. Someone has you beat. What are you going to do if the BB reraises or if you reraise and are called?

Ramana 09-20-2007 08:06 PM

Re: ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
lol @ folding getting 999999:1

mvdgaag 09-21-2007 08:10 AM

Re: ak hits A high flop and gets minraised
 
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lol @ folding getting 999999:1

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So you're falling for that one [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] GL


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