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ICMoney 11-24-2007 10:17 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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i don't know you tightasses don't just buy some hosting space. its super cheap for space and bandwidth these days.

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I have 3,000gb of transfer bandwidth on my web host.

Will host mine there as a backup mirror.

whyzze 11-24-2007 10:17 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think that LeggoPoker site is going to be so sweet.

When I get through watching all these CardRunner vids I will prob subscribe to LeggoPoker too.

FWIW, Cardrunners and StoxPoker have member vid features.

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really? never seen that on CR. i find their site a pain in the ass to navigate except for getting to their vids.

where is it?

ICMoney 11-24-2007 10:19 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I think that LeggoPoker site is going to be so sweet.

When I get through watching all these CardRunner vids I will prob subscribe to LeggoPoker too.

FWIW, Cardrunners and StoxPoker have member vid features.

[/ QUOTE ]


really? never seen that on CR. i find their site a pain in the ass to navigate except for getting to their vids.

where is it?

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Most of the CR vids are hosted on some crappy site called FileSend or something - bunch of dead links.

It's really hard to find.

Let me check.



[b]Edit: CardRunners Forums Other Poker Topics Member Contributions

There are prob 25 vids with live links still.

Spurious 11-24-2007 10:26 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I think there are webspace offers out there, which have unlimited traffic.

whyzze 11-24-2007 10:38 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
grrr...im sooooo bored. Cant go do anything cuz i have to pick up gf+family at the airport in an hour.

i just googled my poker name and rofl...

ICMoney 11-24-2007 10:40 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
grrr...im sooooo bored. Cant go do anything cuz i have to pick up gf+family at the airport in an hour.

i just googled my poker name and rofl...

[/ QUOTE ]

Good idea - let me see what they say about me.

Spurious 11-24-2007 10:40 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
play a SnG or a 30min HellKat at Party [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Im gonna go to bed now, cya 2morrow

kolotoure 11-24-2007 10:45 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

ICMoney 11-24-2007 10:46 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I would only do that if he's 3bet me three times in short amount of time.

(well not only - maybe if he 3bets from the blinds 8% or something).

slush420 11-24-2007 10:52 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
I would only do that if he's 3bet me three times in short amount of time.

(well not only - maybe if he 3bets from the blinds 8% or something).

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would probably have to be closer to 10%. I believe even at 5% AQ is at the very bottom of his range. At 8% he probably only goes as low as 99+ or AJ+ KQs+. Hmm.. stove that cause it might be good IDK

whyzze 11-24-2007 10:54 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

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its fine if you have been terrorizing him.

Micro Donk 11-24-2007 10:55 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.163% 41.17% 06.00% 727472880 105950538.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 52.837% 46.84% 06.00% 827723772 105950538.00 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }

against top 8%

ICMoney 11-24-2007 10:57 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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[ QUOTE ]
I would only do that if he's 3bet me three times in short amount of time.

(well not only - maybe if he 3bets from the blinds 8% or something).

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would probably have to be closer to 10%. I believe even at 5% AQ is at the very bottom of his range. At 8% he probably only goes as low as 99+ or AJ+ KQs+. Hmm.. stove that cause it might be good IDK

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We are 47% against top 8%: 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+, but I think he will fold 40% to a 4bet (88-JJ,KTs+,AT-AJ).

Could someone work out the EV, given how often he folds and the equity against his calling range?

I might do it later.

slush420 11-24-2007 10:59 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.163% 41.17% 06.00% 727472880 105950538.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 52.837% 46.84% 06.00% 827723772 105950538.00 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }

against top 8%

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I see your point. I guess you are compelled to call here as AA is the only hand you'll be saving equity by folding to his shove.

Micro Donk 11-24-2007 11:00 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
id say he folds at least half his 3betting range to a 4bet

that 8% is actually 8.3%, JJ+, AK is 3%. mabye he stays with TT? so with that he would fold a bit over 60% of his range

slush420 11-24-2007 11:03 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.163% 41.17% 06.00% 727472880 105950538.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 52.837% 46.84% 06.00% 827723772 105950538.00 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }

against top 8%

[/ QUOTE ]

I see your point. I guess you are compelled to call here as AA is the only hand you'll be saving equity by folding to his shove.

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This looks more and more even if he only 5bet shoves with QQ+ and AQ+. I would hate calling, but I think this is neutral having already put $22 in the pot. If this is true, folding and calling would be acceptable no?

ICMoney 11-24-2007 11:04 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
If he folds 60% of his range, what's the lowest hand we can 4bet with?

Much lower than AQo I would assume.

kolotoure 11-24-2007 11:05 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I expect everything below JJ to fold and JJ is prob a fold

Micro Donk 11-24-2007 11:06 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
yeah i wasnt sure about JJ but i left it in case that he knows he should stack off lighter if he knows people are going to play back lighter at him due ot his 3betting

MrWooster 11-24-2007 11:08 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Decided to play a bit of 10NL on battlefield poker - wow - I had forgotten how soft it was!!

Anyways - goodnight brew

slush420 11-24-2007 11:15 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

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its fine if you have been terrorizing him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Would it not be better to 4bet a bit lighter to $17.50? Not saying this changes our decision much, but it kind of doesn't let him play perfectly since we aren't past committment.

tannenj 11-24-2007 11:20 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

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its fine if you have been terrorizing him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Would it not be better to 4bet a bit lighter to $17.50? Not saying this changes our decision much, but it kind of doesn't let him play perfectly since we aren't past committment.

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agree with this. i think you mean "smaller," though, not "lighter." lighter implies doing it with a weaker hand.

whyzze 11-24-2007 11:21 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

[/ QUOTE ]

its fine if you have been terrorizing him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Would it not be better to 4bet a bit lighter to $17.50? Not saying this changes our decision much, but it kind of doesn't let him play perfectly since we aren't past committment.

[/ QUOTE ]


depends on opponent. I will 5bet shove a bunch of stuff if their 4bet looks like its engineered for a fold.

slush420 11-24-2007 11:29 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

[/ QUOTE ]

its fine if you have been terrorizing him.

[/ QUOTE ]

Would it not be better to 4bet a bit lighter to $17.50? Not saying this changes our decision much, but it kind of doesn't let him play perfectly since we aren't past committment.

[/ QUOTE ]


depends on opponent. I will 5bet shove a bunch of stuff if their 4bet looks like its engineered for a fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is why you balance with AA/KK and do the same. I don't think you're losing much equity as a PSB on the flop puts all but a buck or two in the middle. And yes your thinking is correct Whyzze which is why I usually 4bet to an amount 1/3rd of the effective stack so that 5bet shoves can be lighter.

whyzze 11-24-2007 11:31 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
i agree with you completely. my 4bet would be 18-20 depending on the size of his 3bet.

mojed 11-24-2007 11:32 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Goofyballer talks about sizing 4bets in his NL50 vid, that with 100bb stacks our light 4bets need to be smaller than pot sized to leave us with leverage (ie allow us to fold), and thus our 4bets for value should also be less than pot sized (to remain unexploitable).

tannenj 11-24-2007 11:34 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
see this thread for elaboration.

fwiw, i 4bet much more often pre with premiums than with junk.

slush420 11-25-2007 12:02 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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see this thread for elaboration.

fwiw, i 4bet much more often pre with premiums than with junk.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with that post. But to bring caution, make sure it's like the 3rd or 4th time in a session that villain has 3bet you to employ this. That is important. Also make sure villain has 3bet multiple times in certain position in a small sample of hands.

ICMoney 11-25-2007 01:31 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Haven't played in forever and made some of the loosest calls of my life.

-$175 or something.


I call anything when I'm tilted.

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $55.95
UTG: $49.25
MP: $15.15
CO: $49.80
BTN: $52.85
SB: $98.35

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, BTN calls $10, SB folds

Flop: ($27.50) 8http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $40.85 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $25.85

Turn: ($109.20) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($109.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $109.20 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens) and LOST (-$52.85 NET)
BTN showed J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens) and WON $106.20 (+$53.35 NET)




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HAND #2
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $49.25
MP: $48
CO: $24.75
BTN: $49.75
SB: $132.10
BB: $94.65

Pre-Flop: Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 9http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP folds, CO calls $2, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($6.75) 8http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $22.75 and is All-In</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $18.25

Turn: ($52.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($52.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $52.25 Pot ($2.60 Rake)
Hero showed Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 9http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (Jack Ten high) and LOST (-$24.75 NET)
CO showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Jacks and Eights) and WON $49.65 (+$24.90 NET)

Kimo White Devil 11-25-2007 02:16 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Moving up and running good is better than sex...well maybe not **** sex but normal weekday sex with standard partner. hmmm...anyways here it is :

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3...novshotac8.gif


now i need to play more hands obv.

kaz2107 11-25-2007 02:59 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
just wanted to let everyone know that pjo will b 20 bucks poorer tomorow around 730 est after the broncos ravage the bears anally

thing85 11-25-2007 03:05 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Where has PJo been lately? I feel like I haven't seen him around.

ICMoney 11-25-2007 03:37 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
So I made a 45 min video at 10nl - but my audio commentary was kind of crappy.

Was still kind of tilted and didn't have a whole lot to say.

Played about 175 hands running 22/17.

Didn't datamine either.

Want to see it?
Let me know or I'm just going to pitch it.

ICMoney 11-25-2007 03:41 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I played 1k hands at 50nl and won 30% of my showdowns.

My turn/river aggression were hella low too.

I jumped up to 7 tables and I hudbotted but didn't spew much after that.

F me.

creamfillin 11-25-2007 03:51 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
played like 8 hours today



won 5$

kolotoure 11-25-2007 05:22 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Figured I might as well play through the night instead of sleeping:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5273/24nov07lk3.jpg

DaycareInferno 11-25-2007 06:15 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
is there anything worse when you're running bad than listening to botards with 400b stacks breaking down each hand?

ama0330 11-25-2007 07:49 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
SB ($69.25)

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<font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $124.25</font>

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hax

hra146 11-25-2007 07:53 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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[ QUOTE ]
SB ($69.25)

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<font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $124.25</font>

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hax

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true, but its not doctored, the converter screwed up. Here is the orig. hhs:


POKERSTARS GAME #13448084888: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/11/24 - 20:31:53 (ET)
Table 'Icarion II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: thecamel54 ($32.70 in chips)
Seat 2: hra146 ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: cfyfe89 ($93.35 in chips)
Seat 4: affanK ($65.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Fazconi ($69.25 in chips)
Seat 6: LaMathRacK ($28.25 in chips)
Fazconi: posts small blind $0.25
LaMathRacK: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hra146 [Js Ks]
thecamel54: folds
hra146: raises $1.50 to $2
cfyfe89: calls $2
affanK: folds
Fazconi: calls $1.75
LaMathRacK: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 5s 4d]
Fazconi: bets $2
hra146: folds
cfyfe89: calls $2
*** TURN *** [3h 5s 4d] [4c]
Fazconi: checks
cfyfe89: checks
*** RIVER *** [3h 5s 4d 4c] [Jd]
Fazconi: bets $6
cfyfe89: raises $6.50 to $12.50
Fazconi: raises $11.50 to $24
cfyfe89: raises $11.50 to $35.50
cfyfe89 said, "bin it"
cfyfe89 said, "im winning"
cfyfe89 said, "i dont want all the money"
Fazconi: raises $11.50 to $47
cfyfe89: raises $11.50 to $58.50
Fazconi: raises $6.75 to $65.25 and is all-in
cfyfe89 said, "put it all in"
cfyfe89: folds
cfyfe89 leaves the table
Fazconi collected $124.50 from pot
Fazconi: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $127.50 | Rake $3
Board [3h 5s 4d 4c Jd]
Seat 1: thecamel54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: hra146 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: cfyfe89 folded on the River
Seat 4: affanK (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Fazconi (small blind) collected ($124.50)
Seat 6: LaMathRacK (big blind) folded before Flop



The guy who folded was a 90/60 btw, complete maniac, note the chat.

bazooka87 11-25-2007 08:15 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
That hand is awesome


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