Tilt 32k: Squeeze all in with rags?
 

CO has open min raised from LP a few times already. The BTN is unknown. I've been aggressive but not out of line. Is this good or bad?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t150/t300
(Ante: t25)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t4495
UTG+1: t4015
MP1: t21690
MP2: t22511
MP3: t3102
CO: t6000
Button: t6160
SB: t13595
Hero: t7113

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
5 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to t600</font>, Button calls t600 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t1275)</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t7088</font>

Re: Tilt 32k: Squeeze all in with rags?
 

If CO has been doing it frequently AND you's seen BTN call before (not necessarily CO, but just anyone) then I like it.

If BTN is a known player, not so much.

Re: Tilt 32k: Squeeze all in with rags?
 

God this is so much better with a hand that has some sort of equity when called.

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Well, yeah, but if CO has been continually min-raising and BTNs chips in there too it's a great spot regardless of cards, but it still all comes down to your read on BTN's flat-call so it's tough for us to say.

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God this is so much better with a hand that has some sort of equity when called.

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Thats why you do it when he won't call, like this hand.

nh

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God this is so much better with a hand that has some sort of equity when called.

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Well, yeah, but if CO has been continually min-raising and BTNs chips in there too it's a great spot regardless of cards, but it still all comes down to your read on BTN's flat-call so it's tough for us to say.

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BTN was relatively new to the table and hadn't been very active that's why I didn't have much of a read on him. So, with a solid read on CO but nothing on BTN, is this good or bad?

Re: Tilt 32k: Squeeze all in with rags?
 

Is it bad that this never even crosses my mind? I see 82o and auto-click fold... I would pull this with some kind of suited connector, this just seems bad to me.

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agree with pudge even a hand like acerag suited would be much better to do this with. Or if you were a little shallower so you were risking less but had basically the same amount of FE then this would be better, but I dont think this is +EV

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agree with pudge even a hand like acerag suited would be much better to do this with. Or if you were a little shallower so you were risking less but had basically the same amount of FE then this would be better, but I dont think this is +EV

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LOL really? Ax has better equity than 28 when called? NO F-ING WAY!!!!



And yes, I think you pass up a ton of value if you don't sometimes utilize spots like these. Without a read on BTN I'm not sure I could do it with 28, suited connectors or broadways might make it a little easier it's tough to shove 28o with absolutely no read.

Still tho, if you have aboslutely no history with BTN and he's a complete random, I don't think a shove is BAD.

Re: Tilt 32k: Squeeze all in with rags?
 

man u suck, all i was saying is that a hand that is often dominated when called like Ax would be a much better choice because it does better vs 88,99,TT especially no need to be a dick about it

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man u suck, all i was saying is that a hand that is often dominated when called like Ax would be a much better choice because it does better vs 88,99,TT especially no need to be a dick about it

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82 v. AK &gt; Ax v. 99

Re: Tilt 32k: Squeeze all in with rags?
 

omg I feel like Im taking crazy pills here

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,561,621,248 games 0.031 secs 50,374,878,967 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.199% 32.10% 02.10% 501210660 32853888.00 { A2o }
Hand 1: 65.801% 63.70% 02.10% 994702812 32853888.00 { TT-77, AQs-ATs, KQs, AQo-ATo, KQo }


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,746,550,080 games 0.005 secs 349,310,016,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.731% 27.38% 00.36% 478128180 6209154.00 { 82o }
Hand 1: 72.269% 71.91% 00.36% 1256003592 6209154.00 { TT-77, AQs-ATs, KQs, AQo-ATo, KQo }

Re: Tilt 32k: Squeeze all in with rags?
 

i honestly dont know what people CC with 20bbs with besides the occasional AA or KK tho, so I have no idea bout thos ranges, but how the hell does saying 82v AK&gt; ax v 99 have anything to do with anything here

I missed the fact at first that they both have 20bbs and u cover, so ur not risking 7k to win the pot but rather 6k, so I think its closer to being a good play, but I still feel like one of them calls pretty often just cause randoms know about squeezing more now and dont like to feel like they are getting bluffed aka they are stations

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also axs vs 99&gt; 82o vs AK even tho it makes absolutely no difference in measuring the EV of one vs the other

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i honestly dont know what people CC with 20bbs with besides the occasional AA or KK tho, so I have no idea bout thos ranges, but how the hell does saying 82v AK&gt; ax v 99 have anything to do with anything here


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Dude relax I completely get what you are saying about the relative equity of the two hands. I was just [censored] with you bc your response sounded a little illogical and kind of funny and I was pointing that out.

Anyway, thanks for the input. Clearly, what makes this play profitable (if it is, I'm not saying it is) isn't the equity we have when called but the high percentage of time they fold and we scoop the pot preflop.

Re: Tilt 32k: Squeeze all in with rags?
 

k good, but even tho you are relying on high FE for this to be profitable, a difference in equity when called is still fairly significant towards your EV just because 5% of 6k is still a lot of chips

sorry for being stressed out im on suicide watch due to having to do about 15 hours of HW over 24 hours with no weed, obviously 2p2 is the only thing keeping me semi sane with no drugs or alcohol

Re: Tilt 32k: Squeeze all in with rags?
 

Randoms love flatting [censored] things they'll fold to shoves.

I love flatting KJs and pwning you.