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Colms 08-12-2007 02:24 AM

QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
Villain is JFish on 2p2, 22/20/9 over 105 hands. He just sat at the table but I know he 3-bets pretty light and although we don't have any history I think he bets this river with almost any two cards. Easy call?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $402.00
BB: $1,049.20
UTG: $786.60
Hero (BTN): $394.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $52.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $38.00

Flop: ($108) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $70.00</font>, Hero calls $70.00

Turn: ($248) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($248) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets all-in for $280.00</font>, Hero calls all-in for $272.00
Uncalled bet of $8.00 returned to SB

Pot Size: $792.00 ($2 Rake)

Colms 08-12-2007 02:35 AM

Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
Just to add, AK most likely shoves this turn as well as any nut flush draw so his range of hands beating me is most likely something like AT-AQ, AXs. Obviously he also could have slowplayed a hand on the turn but since we just sat at the table I would expect him to play most of his hands pretty straightforward.

raze 08-12-2007 03:13 AM

Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
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and although we don't have any history I think he bets this river with almost any two cards. Easy call?

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Well... if this is your read, you know it's a pretty easy call. I would trust my own read above anything here

fslexcduck 08-12-2007 03:58 AM

Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
foldfoldfoldfoldfoldfold

hes value shoving AJ

MatthewRyan 08-12-2007 06:00 AM

Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
4bet preflop/fold river

wtf5 08-12-2007 06:57 AM

Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
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4bet preflop/fold river

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no calling preflop is perfectly fine and probably better than 4betting.

AAismyfriend 08-12-2007 08:16 AM

Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
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4bet preflop/fold river

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no calling preflop is perfectly fine and probably better than 4betting.

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Unless you 4 bet with any sort of frequency, and then I think 4 betting is best. Otherwise I basically agree with above. As for the river, while I agree he could be shoving here with any 2, the likelihood of him valuetowning you with Ax or even Kx makes this a fold IMO.

AAismyfriend 08-12-2007 08:17 AM

Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
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foldfoldfoldfoldfoldfold

hes value shoving KJ

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jfish 08-12-2007 05:53 PM

Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
lol nobody ever folds to me ever at 2/4.

golfprova11 08-12-2007 06:00 PM

Re: QQ 3-bet pot, bad river
 
Well what was the outcome?


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