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Slider 11-29-2007 05:13 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
Slowplayed overpairs are definitely a part of his range, which makes AA different and due to the large difference between his pfr and vpip - villain is often calling to wide oop.

AA fairs sooo much better against a range when he has undercard flush drawset..

Just think about what you're saying . Folding AA just because he has a low aggression factor and we get CRed. Are we only ever continuing when CR'ed if we flop the nuts then?

gir 11-29-2007 05:50 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
Against low aggression factors? If they checkraise my flop bet once every 30 times, I can afford to fold AA, don't you think?

Slider 11-29-2007 05:52 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
Nope, I almost never fold AA 100bb deep. For the AF, we don't know how many hands it's over, but to be folding AA there you have to put his range exactly on sets and nothing else.

You don't think they checkraise draws? All tags do that, even if they are "passive' otherwise.

His overall AF could be low as well due to his passivity pre-flop.

d2themfi 11-29-2007 05:52 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
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What people aren't considering is that 99 = AA here. Of course, 99 is outdrawn by overs whereas AA is not, but if that's what the difference is, you should be calling with 99.


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no way the equity of overcards+FD in his range plus the fact he can have TT and JJ make AA way better than 99 here. 99 is a fold here really quick

STA654 11-29-2007 06:05 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
Lets try a poll:

Slider 11-29-2007 06:23 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
wtf at folding AA 110bb deep... COME ON

Bigfoot 11-29-2007 07:39 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
wtf how is 99 = AA here? overcard flush draws, overpairs, etc. make up at least some % of his range for a flop CR. 99 is a significantly worse hand to have than AA because if you were for example calling down any non flush turn and river (or even turn) it'd be much higher variance because a "harmless" card like a 10 or J could pair him easily. when you have AA you have no fear of that and you're much further ahead of his range.

Some9 11-29-2007 10:30 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
this is never a fold against anyone but the nittiest nit.

luegofuego 11-29-2007 10:33 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
there is no way AA = 99

Melchiades 11-29-2007 10:34 AM

Re: 400NL 99 facing C/R
 
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this is never a fold against anyone but the nittiest nit.

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Then there are a lot of nittiest of nits out there.


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