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CalledDownLight 03-24-2007 04:00 PM

Turner two pair, but villian overbet shoves? (NL50)
 
So the villian is a multitabling TAG and is basically auto cbetting this flop almost always. I have never seen him overbet at any point of a hand before. CO would have raised flop with anything that beat me, he probably has a flushdraw, but if he overcalls I am sure I am ahead of him so that isn't an issue.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($13.50)
SB ($60.65)
BB ($38.50)
Hero ($55.25)
UTG+1 ($48.25)
MP1 ($13.35)
MP2 ($9.50)
MP3 ($27.35)
CO ($69.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2, CO calls $2, Button folds.

Flop: ($8.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $5.5</font>, Hero calls $5.50, CO calls $5.50.

Turn: ($25) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $52.65 (All-In)</font>, Hero ???


Is this just a standard laydown? More importantly what would you call with here? Is AK good enough to call? What about 99?

bottomset 03-24-2007 04:10 PM

Re: Turner two pair, but villian overbet shoves? (NL50)
 
I'd call with AK+ for sure

AJ is pretty borderline, leaning towards fold

BT2 03-24-2007 04:14 PM

Re: Turner two pair, but villian overbet shoves? (NL50)
 
yes, this is a standard laydown.
i would call here with a set.
i would not call with AK.
yes, i would call with 999.

CalledDownLight 03-24-2007 04:15 PM

Re: Turner two pair, but villian overbet shoves? (NL50)
 
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I'd call with AK+ for sure

AJ is pretty borderline, leaning towards fold

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If you are thinking of folding this but AK is a definite call is it because you feel pretty sure he has AK but if you hold that hand it takes away so many of the AK, AA, and KK possibilities? This line just makes so little sense to me on the turn. He still has another stree to get money in.

acidca 03-24-2007 04:42 PM

Re: Turner two pair, but villian overbet shoves? (NL50)
 
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I'd call with AK+ for sure

AJ is pretty borderline, leaning towards fold

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acidca 03-24-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Turner two pair, but villian overbet shoves? (NL50)
 
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I'd call with AK+ for sure

AJ is pretty borderline, leaning towards fold

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If you are thinking of folding this but AK is a definite call is it because you feel pretty sure he has AK but if you hold that hand it takes away so many of the AK, AA, and KK possibilities? This line just makes so little sense to me on the turn. He still has another stree to get money in.

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I think he has JJ, AJ, or AK here a lot.

RyanCMU 03-24-2007 06:42 PM

Re: Turner two pair, but villian overbet shoves? (NL50)
 
fold town

RyanCMU 03-24-2007 06:43 PM

Re: Turner two pair, but villian overbet shoves? (NL50)
 
[ QUOTE ]
yes, this is a standard laydown.
i would call here with a set.
i would not call with AK.
yes, i would call with 999.

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Ignore my other post, this sums it up better...hahah

CalledDownLight 03-25-2007 01:03 AM

Re: Turner two pair, but villian overbet shoves? (NL50)
 
What do we put villian on if we fold AK and call 999? Aren't these two hands almost identical once you get the "I have a set zomg" out of your head? I agree with all that said my AJ was a fold and did and didn't get to see villian's hand. Just thought it was a very interesting spot.


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