Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

Live 40 at Bay 101

I normally stay away from 40-80 all together but decided to jump in considering the 20 game wasn't opening anytime soon.

I was curious about any other possible lines i could have taken against this extreme tight wad.

UTG+1 player who is the tight wad and thinks he is the best player in the world raises, CO calls, I call with J Hearts T Hearts on the button, rest fold.

Flop: Qh Kh 3c

Tighty Wighty bets, CO folds, I call

Turn T, he bets, I RAISE, he thinks for about 20 seconds and calls and checks in the dark

river is a black 6

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

i don't like the turn raise, he's not folding anything you beat. check the river and prepare to muck

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

He isn't folding a better hand on the river. I usually put in somewhere between 467 and 468 bets on this flop.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

raise/shove flop please

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

[ QUOTE ]
He isn't folding a better hand on the river. I usually put in somewhere between 467 and 468 bets on this flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

is how many using your comp?

I say this because only he types the "ill stop at 20-45 bets " stuff... haha

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

agree-why didnt you raise the flop?-flod preflop-big leak in your game

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

This is an unusual way for me to play the hand. I just thought he could lay down AA or AK here against a turn raise.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

[ QUOTE ]

I normally stay away from 40-80 all together

[/ QUOTE ]

thats the only part of the hand you played well imo

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

[ QUOTE ]
This is an unusual way for me to play the hand. I just thought he could lay down AA or AK here against a turn raise.

[/ QUOTE ]

my head just exploded.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

You're a huge favorite over any hand on the flop except a set, and even at that it's probably a flip. This is a super-easy flop raise for value, as surfdoc and others have said. Waiting until the turn to raise doesn't make any sense, as your equity plummets once you brick off the turn.

His action on the turn (and the river dark check) means he's going to showdown 100% of the time, and doing it with a Q or a K or better. You don't have the best hand and he's not folding. You lose.

But raise that gorgeous flop. Would you raise with an overpair? You would? OK, well JhTh is better than an overpair here. Pump it.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

[ QUOTE ]

You're a huge favorite over any hand on the flop except a set, and even at that it's probably a flip. This is a super-easy flop raise for value, as surfdoc and others have said. Waiting until the turn to raise doesn't make any sense, as your equity plummets once you brick off the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

We're not a monster favorite. It's actually more like dead even on the flop, given that villain's different holdings include cards that are our outs, and we are hardly a "flip" against a set. Against a set we're 42/58.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

[ QUOTE ]

You're a hudge favorite over any hand on the flop except a set

[/ QUOTE ]
fyp

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

Extreme tight wad raises UTG? If you don't see two matching letters, fold.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

"extreme tight wad. UTG+1 player who is the tight wad and thinks he is the best player in the world raises,"

tommy angelo's playing 40 at bay 101 again??

anyway please fold everything preflop against tight player's raises. that is all.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

"I just thought he could lay down AA or AK here against a turn raise."

wow can i get a hit off that before you finish it all

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

JAM the flop somewhere between 467 and 468 bets as surfdoc said. Then check the turn behind. I think hes thinking about three betting you on the turn so hes definately not folding river

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

[ QUOTE ]
"extreme tight wad. UTG+1 player who is the tight wad and thinks he is the best player in the world raises,"

tommy angelo's playing 40 at bay 101 again??

anyway please fold everything preflop against tight player's raises. that is all.

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah I was gonna say this too, pretty bad preflop call.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

when one has a draw to a straight flush raising on the flop is needed--cap it even...you have a ton of outs and probably are a favorite to win the hand at that point, hell with a straight flush probably win a high hand bonus too.

anyway, check behind on the river...

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

Pf call vs "tightwad"? Anyway ...

You're beat and he's not folding that river. Betting the river is pissing more chips away.

Why did you not raise the flop with your orgasmic draws? You're probably a favorite. And Tightwad may even fold to the turn bet if you've raised the flop or you could choose to see the turn and river free. Waiting to raise the turn reeks of FPS ...

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

to keep with the theme of playing every street as poorly as possible why not throw in a dark shot to perk his curiousity and get a call

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

I think you should bet the river, throw down your hand face-up and say "ship it" and tip the dealer $1. Hopefully he'll misread your hand and muck.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

[ QUOTE ]
He isn't folding a better hand on the river. I usually put in somewhere between 467 and 468 bets on this flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

By 467 and 468, I hope you mean 4 to 6 because by that time your hand turns from a probable coin flip to about a 3:2 dog.

Garland

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
He isn't folding a better hand on the river. I usually put in somewhere between 467 and 468 bets on this flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

By 467 and 468, I hope you mean 4 to 6 because by that time your hand turns from a probable coin flip to about a 3:2 dog.

Garland

[/ QUOTE ]

No, the 468th bet on the flop isn't for value anymore, its for a free river card if you miss! If you only flat call the 467th bet, your opponent will still donk any safe turn, which is -EV.

Re: Hand caught in the Cookie Jar
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
He isn't folding a better hand on the river. I usually put in somewhere between 467 and 468 bets on this flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

By 467 and 468, I hope you mean 4 to 6 because by that time your hand turns from a probable coin flip to about a 3:2 dog.

Garland

[/ QUOTE ]

No, the 468th bet on the flop isn't for value anymore, its for a free river card if you miss! If you only flat call the 467th bet, your opponent will still donk any safe turn, which is -EV.

[/ QUOTE ]

you're wrong. It's to increase our implied odds when we hit. By going 467 bets our opponent has to put us on middle set, so we're gonna get 350-400 raises in on the turn or river if we make a straight or a flush