NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

Ok, I have position and I simply move in w/ KK. There is limping and one raise before me. Original raiser might play decent (not a long history though). I would like to discuss my line.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($9.45)
Hero ($29.95)
SB ($31)
BB ($40)
UTG ($5)
MP1 ($24.40)
MP2 ($26.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1.25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $29.95</font>,

Now there´s certainly more than one option here. You don´t see this play very often, so I´d like to hear what you think about it.

This is what I thought:
--&gt; any other reraise size should be big enough to provide against setminers, that is, it´s big enough to fold out most JJ-/TT- hands, plus
--&gt; If he has AA, he´d be coming over the top, and I have to call because the remote posibility of AK in his hand makes this correct, the game being only slightly deeper than 100BB
--&gt; as he´s gonna get me all in with AA anyway, I´d like to focus on gettin the most out of AK and QQ.
--&gt; I´ve been experimenting with shoving w/ AK for a while, and it´s completly amazing what kind of calls you see. Specificaly AK seems to call a lot.
--&gt; and specificaly AK might be hard to melk postflop, as the very last King would have to flop for that.
--&gt; I´m not sure how much value I am loosing against QQ. I´m not shoving here against a bad player, who´s gonna get stacked w/ QQ overpair. But here, the villain probably is a multitabling abc regular who doesn´t necesarrily get stacked if his Queens see a nice flop. And... doesn´t my play like I am getting crazy w/ AK rather than KK?

Is my reasoning way off?

Thank you.

Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

Most NL25 12-24 table nits will call with 1 hand. You might get enough tard calls to offset this, I dunno.

ETA- No it doesn't look like you're going nuts with AK. It looks like AA or maybe KK if you're a maniac

Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

Reraise to 6. IMO. Unless you think you can get a misclick call...

Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

Just losing so much value...why are we afraid of playing poker with position???

Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

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--&gt; any other reraise size should be big enough to provide against setminers, that is, it´s big enough to fold out most JJ-/TT- hands

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This is where you make the monies with big PP.
Many people will try to setmine you regardless of the odds - so give them the chance to make expensive mistakes.
Dont let them away light by forcing them to play correctly.

Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

I like this given specific reads, but absent that, I think a raise to $5 or $6 is great. You _want_ to see a flop here, and you _want_ to play poker.

I think that he has to call more often than he will to counteract the lost value.

Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

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Just losing so much value...why are we afraid of playing poker with position???

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this is my thoughts exactly, u fold out a lot of hands that u would get value out of if u just 3 bet him, like AK TT-QQ

Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

I like what Sounded Simple said. A lot of setminers will call a big reraise--to $6 or $7 for example--still trying to setmine. I'd rather punish them with a raise like that than push them out entirely.

Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

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I like what Sounded Simple said. A lot of setminers will call a big reraise--to $6 or $7 for example--still trying to setmine. I'd rather punish them with a raise like that than push them out entirely.

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I really hate these absurd raises. We want calls with our big hands, this is where our profit is derived from.
1. We want to have villain call our 3 bet. Picking dead money is fine, but KK/AA is far more valuable heads up in position after the flop.

2. If we re-raise to around 3-4 our SPR postflop will be 2.5 or 3. This value is easy for hero to get it all in postflop on any Aceless flop. On flops with an Ace, then Cbet and reevaluate turn and river.

Re: NL25 KK prefl. shove
 

what an awful play. reraise to 5 or so and let's play.