Low-limit player in a mid-limit game
 

I apologize if these spots are too basic, but I was wondering if either of these situations merited trying to save a bet (or two). These hands took place in a live 15-30 game with a four raise max. (I usually play 3-6/5-10 online and had never played higher than 6-12 live).

1) You see the flop HU with KKc against a good, aggressive player. You put in the third and final raise, but are OOP.

Flop is A-rag-rag, all clubs. You bet and call a raise.

Turn is a brick, you check-call (?)

River is a brick...you?

2) You see the flop HU with black KK in the BB against a LAG on the button. You are in EP and put in the fourth and final raise.

Flop is QQJ, all red. You bet and he calls

Turn is a red A, putting two flush draws on the board. What is your plan from here?

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1) Sometimes I check the flop and raise the turn.
2) Turn check and call.

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you can certainly fold the river in hand 1. check call/call down in hand 2.

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remember if you break even at or beat 3/6 or 5/10 online you're probably far and away the best player at a 15/30 live game

first hand is a c/f
i'm not sure why the guys above would c/c down in hand 2; it seems like a spot to b/f as well, although i guess 4handed you might get semibluffed some of the time and eventually you'll have to see showdown to keep these guys honest.

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Agree so far with being toast on the river in hand one.

Let's assume I check-called the turn in hand 2. Now the river is another J making the board QQJAJ, all red. Check-call or check-fold?

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Agree so far with being toast on the river in hand one.

Let's assume I check-called the turn in hand 2. Now the river is another J making the board QQJAJ, all red. Check-call or check-fold?

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Check-fold. You really can't beat anything.

Also, having played 3/6 and 5/10 online, your skill level is actually a good bit higher than a live 15/30 game, so don't sweat it.

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Agree so far with being toast on the river in hand one.

Let's assume I check-called the turn in hand 2. Now the river is another J making the board QQJAJ, all red. Check-call or check-fold?

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Check-fold. You really can't beat anything.

Also, having played 3/6 and 5/10 online, your skill level is actually a good bit higher than a live 15/30 game, so don't sweat it.

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I don't take much convincing as far as the skill level goes, it's the emotional aspect that takes getting used to.

FWIW, I ended up paying off in both cases, but in the early morning post-mortem, I was thinking that case 1 was close to a no-brainer. Case 2, I'm not so sure, 'cause this guy could have any number of hands.

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Case 2, if the guy is really a total LAG, I'm likely to pay off too.

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Hand 1 is a fold on the river.

Hand 2 check/call turn against a LAG. The river is terrible so I think I check and fold because we really beat nothing.