600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

Villain is 60/3 over like 30 hands. He calls flop with any piece, and can bluff missed draws on later streets.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Hero ($657.15)
Button ($493.80)
SB ($657)
BB ($581.20)
UTG ($598.05)
UTG+1 ($591)
MP1 ($558)
MP2 ($577.65)
MP3 ($408.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, Button calls $24, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($57) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $42</font>, Button calls $42.

Turn: ($141) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $591.15</font>

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

This seems pretty reasonable to me, if he's this loose and calls that light on the flop, his range of holdings here contains mostly weak hands and draws which can't call off that kind of money. If he IS stupid enough to stack off with a weak hand you have plenty of equity still. Your line looks very strong though, so I doubt he looks you up light.

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

standard, nice hand.

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

I don't like it. Against a tighter player i like it. Against a really lose, bad player, I think you should take your good implied odds and hope to catch. As it stands, you're putting it in with probably 35% equity with poor FE. Why?

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

why do you think he has poor FE. The villain hasnt really shown any strength in this hand except betting tiny when checked to on the turn.

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

That's just been my experience with people who play a lot of hands....I mean, we only have 3 rounds on this guy...so who knows. I'm just saying that against most unknown extremely loose players, they don't like to fold...esp if they seem a bit passive and are betting.

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

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betting tiny when checked to on the turn.

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Giving someone 4:1 ain't all that tiny. Also, he may not even realize what his bet size means and $50 is a lot of money to him type of stuff...

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

i agree with tip here.

with 15 outs, he's giving you a chance to hit and take his remaining 60big blinds....

at least from an implied odds perspective - unless you know uber donk will fold his turn bluff/weak hand to your c/raise all in.

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

who knows if you have 15 outs, villain could have a bigger FD and/or blockers

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

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betting tiny when checked to on the turn.

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Giving someone 4:1 ain't all that tiny. Also, he may not even realize what his bet size means and $50 is a lot of money to him type of stuff...

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its maybe not tiny in the $50 is a lot of money(but then he has no business playing 3/6)

but its absolutely tiny given the board

I think you get looked up a little to often and he did give you insta-ev on a c/c

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

I think this is good, but not perfect.
I think you have enough FE here, but when I make plays like this with unmade hands, I like to be able to represent something. What hand would bet flop and check turn on this board (possibly giving free card to flush)?

I think if villain has shown himself to be very aggressive postflop, and his bet-when-checked-to is almost certain, then this is better.

Still, I think villain has shown some weakness. (Perhaps he wants a cheap showdown or trying to steal with a turn bet.) I think you can push him off the hand enough of the time plus your outs are probably live if he calls (don't think he's calling with bare flush draw, maybe KdXd)

I don't play this level so I don't really know what players think at this level. Just my 2 cents

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

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I think this is good, but not perfect.
I think you have enough FE here, but when I make plays like this with unmade hands, I like to be able to represent something. What hand would bet flop and check turn on this board (possibly giving free card to flush)?


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You're imagining that this is a thinking opponent who is logically breaking down the action and assigning hand ranges. Its a 60 vpip float tard, so its about how much he likes his hand. He prob doesn't like it for $350 more than his puny probe bet, if he does we have prob 2 draws to crack him.

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

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I think this is good, but not perfect.
I think you have enough FE here, but when I make plays like this with unmade hands, I like to be able to represent something. What hand would bet flop and check turn on this board (possibly giving free card to flush)?

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Good point, but this villain probably won't think that far.

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

i think i'd have just betcalled like 124. I'm not sure i trust a donk to bet for me, and i'd rather the turn didn't go check check.

Re: 600 NL, big draw against floater.
 

uhhh..yea I call this easy.

You don't have much FE, and many crazy hands can hit him on the river(like your flush giving him a two pair). I see no reason to raise this