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cs3 03-04-2007 04:28 AM

AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
villain is not very good, as in hes way weak/tight/passive postflop. checks and folds a lot post flop, and i havent seen him bet without a hand. his open raising range is pretty large, but havent seen him call a single 3 bet yet.
i felt like such a nit this hand but i cant really see a reason to put money in on that flop....

i had been playing 20/15, aggro postflop, and been stacking guys left and right so my image is pretty solid

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $114.10
UTG+1: $162.80
CO: $27.50
Button: $76
Hero: $364.50
BB: $273.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $4</font>, CO folds, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $15</font>, 2 folds, Button calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($35, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $21</font>, Hero folds.

ummm thoughts? should i quit after this hand or is this solid?

cs3 03-04-2007 06:49 PM

Re: AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
i this hand that bad, or just totally unintersting?

shpanko 03-04-2007 06:52 PM

Re: AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
I'd prefer bet/fold. This looks really dumb to be folding imo (no offense) it's just that this is a decent flop for you. Will this villain not bet KQ on this flop? I would bet out. If he raises then you know were you are. This way you get to charge KQ/99 KJ type of hands which he can certainly show up with. I think c/f'ing is way too weak

RiverHebrew2 03-04-2007 06:52 PM

Re: AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
At least bet/fold flop for $27. If he flat calls u can shut down unless u improve.

cs3 03-04-2007 07:08 PM

Re: AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
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I'd prefer bet/fold. This looks really dumb to be folding imo (no offense) it's just that this is a decent flop for you. Will this villain not bet KQ on this flop? I would bet out. If he raises then you know were you are. This way you get to charge KQ/99 KJ type of hands which he can certainly show up with. I think c/f'ing is way too weak

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ya i know it looks pretty bad.

but i dont think this guy calls a 3 bet with KQ preflop. and if he can show up with KQ, then he can just as easily show up with QJ/TJ. im also not sure if he would 4 bet with anything - he hadnt yet over hundreds of hands.
and i really doubt he would bet 99 on that flop... i mean anyone who has any poker mental capacity at all would expect to get ch/r'd a huuuuge % of the time on that scary ass board when the PF 3-bettor checks to them, right?

i think his range is 88-AA, AK, AQ very (heavily weighted towards TT-QQ, AK after he bets flop) and i felt like betting would be lighting money on fire. if he checked behind then i would of course fire on the turn expecting to be ahead a large part of the time.

but it still felt ridiculously nitty

cs3 03-05-2007 05:10 AM

Re: AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
not to beat a dead horse, but does anyone else have thoughts on this hand? its really been bugging me

Jay Riall 03-05-2007 05:14 AM

Re: AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
Meh, I just bet-fold and shutdown UI. I really don't like inducing bluffs I can't call. Folding out 77 is not terrible on this flop tbh.

orange 03-05-2007 05:15 AM

Re: AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
you played it fine given flop texture.

shpanko 03-05-2007 05:17 AM

Re: AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
Effective stacks are over 150 bb's so his calling range in position should include most pocket pairs and some suited connectors. If he's passive/predictable post flop I guess check/folding is ok because he's not betting worse hands usually. but if you've been three-betting him a lot I could see him getting fed up and firing at this with a low pp because at this point he has no sd value (unlikely but possible). It would definitely look scary as hell if you c/c this flop. This way you see the turn and possibly get him to bluff the flop.

I don't mind the fold honestly I think it's probably good without knowing more about your history with him and image at the table, but I do think his range is slightly larger than you think with deep stacks and position (especially if he has been folding to a lot of three bets thus far, he could be getting frustrated).

yundmi 03-05-2007 05:18 AM

Re: AQ from SB, i 3 bet PF, hit the flop, and still fold
 
if thats the range u put him on, well played


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