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PureDiesel 10-24-2007 09:11 PM

NLCASH mid pair JT
 
Villain is descent, agro:
Game #6026765884: Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/10/25 - 01:32:42 (UK)
Table "Nanjing" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Danger999 ($133.97 in chips)
Seat 2: boostmybr ($47.08 in chips)
Danger999: posts small blind $0.25
boostmybr: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to boostmybr [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Danger999: calls $0.25
boostmybr: raises to $2
Danger999: calls $1.50
----- FLOP ----- [4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: bets $3
Danger999: raises to $9
boostmybr: calls $6
----- TURN ----- [4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]][7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: checks
Danger999: bets $33.50
boostmybr: raises to $36.08 and is all-in
Danger999: calls $2.58
----- RIVER ----- [4h Td Qs 7c][9d]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
boostmybr: shows [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] (A Pair of Tens, Queen high)
Danger999: shows [T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] (Two Pairs, Tens and Fours, Queen high)
Danger999 collected $93.16 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $94.16 Main pot $93.16 Rake $1
Board [4h Td Qs 7c 9d]
Seat 1: Danger999 (small blind) showed [Tc 4c] and won ($93.16) with Two Pairs, Tens and Fours, Queen high
Seat 2: boostmybr (big blind) showed [Ts Jh] and lost with A Pair of Tens, Queen high
****HAND ENDS****
How to define his hand range? not much of a history, but he( I suspect stole several pots in sticky situations and in general have been agro, trying to push me off hands)

PureDiesel 10-24-2007 09:18 PM

Re: NLCASH mid pair JT
 
Same villain, but before:
Game #6026763384: Hold'em NL ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/10/25 - 01:15:07 (UK)
Table "Nanjing" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: Danger999 ($74.05 in chips)
Seat 2: boostmybr ($60.20 in chips)
Danger999: posts small blind $0.25
boostmybr: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to boostmybr [5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Danger999: raises to $1.50
boostmybr: raises to $5
Danger999: calls $3.50
----- FLOP ----- [3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: bets $6
Danger999: calls $6
----- TURN ----- [3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]][7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: bets $12
Danger999: calls $12
----- RIVER ----- [3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]][5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
boostmybr: checks
Danger999: bets $51.05 and is all-in
boostmybr: folds
Returned uncalled bets $51.05 to Danger999
Danger999: doesn't show hand
Danger999 collected $45 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $46 Main pot $45 Rake $1
Board [3s Ac 6s 7h 5s]
Seat 1: Danger999 (small blind) collected $45
Seat 2: boostmybr (big blind) folded on the River
****HAND ENDS****

Should I blockbet/valuebet river? And in general, how to play this, if I decided to run a bluff, since i was very tight preflop.

jakeduke 10-24-2007 11:32 PM

Re: NLCASH mid pair JT
 
i don't know what you're doing in either of these hands. I guess the flop in the first hand is ok, but the turn is terrible unless you think he has comlplete air (which seems VERY unlikely given the action).

given pf and flop in hand 2, i'd c/f the turn unless you think for some reason villain is calling down light. which doesn't make much sense since you've been "very tight preflop". I don't see how you can c/f the river, villain could very easily have like ak or something and be vbetting it. If i checked this river it would be with the intent of calling a bet.

alavet 10-25-2007 08:29 AM

Re: NLCASH mid pair JT
 
agree with speaker below

btw nice conviction yourself of bluffing opp [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

AbreuTime 10-25-2007 11:42 AM

Re: NLCASH mid pair JT
 
You don't need to "out-aggro" an opponent who is aggressive. At least, not with 57o OOP. You don't have to defend your BB this fervently.

buckbomb56 10-25-2007 05:04 PM

Re: NLCASH mid pair JT
 
What site do u play on? Looks like you are giving monies away...

jakeduke 10-26-2007 02:11 AM

Re: NLCASH mid pair JT
 
lol just a hunch but it's probably a site you can't play on.

PureDiesel 10-26-2007 02:31 AM

Re: NLCASH mid pair JT
 
[ QUOTE ]
What site do u play on? Looks like you are giving monies away...

[/ QUOTE ]
So, am I calling station in first hand and weak-passive in 2nd hand?
BTW, looking fo coach.
My thought process:
Hand 1)he's been limping lots of trash, I haven't raised much yet and decided to do it with TJ, because if I had AA, he probably would fold on the flop not hitting much, so i decided to do it with TJ. I caught mid pair, but didn't believe him, cos he was raising air all the time before, I wanted him to make another bet on turn. Is my thought process is way off right poker thinking?
Hand 2)OTR I thought(and usually thinking):he won't call with less hand than my mediocre 2 pair here, so I don't bet. And the way hand played out, I think he has better hand in this situation like 70-80%. Am I way off again? How should I be thinking and playing out this hand if I made preflop mistake mixing in not the correct hand for 3bet?

PureDiesel 10-26-2007 02:37 AM

Re: NLCASH mid pair JT
 
[ QUOTE ]
I guess the flop in the first hand is ok, but the turn is terrible unless you think he has comlplete air (which seems VERY unlikely given the action).

[/ QUOTE ]
Could you, please, explain to me, WHY it seems UNLIKELY? when whould it be LIKELY?
He's been very agro, raising all the time prevoius hands in different spots, why should I believe him in this spot? Which spots should commit?



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