Do house rules typically permit use of a monocular at the table?
 

I have a vision disability and I cannot see the community cards well enough (especially face cards which don't have countable symbols) when I am seated at one of the corners or ends of the table. In cash games this doesn't present too much of a problem because I can wait for a preferred seat or if not then usually someone will be courteous enough to trade seats. However in tournaments where seating assignment is random I would need to use a monocular with magnification in order to sufficiently decipher the community cards if I was seated too far away from the center of the table. Do house rules at major establishments such as those in Las Vegas and Atlantic City permit use of a monocular for this purpose? Would people complain about it being too obtrusive or that I was "spying" on them?

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just pretend your this guy

never mind you mean this?

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Yeah, the second one [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Except that mine is shorter in length

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Simple - go to the poker room and speak to the floor before you play. Show them what your monocular tool is used for, and they will likely realize it cant be used for cheating and approve.

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My last trip to LA I played with some dude who used a telescope to look at his cards. He sat in the 9 seat, too.

It was strange, but nobody seemed to have an issue with it.

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My last trip to LA I played with some dude who used a telescope to look at his cards. He sat in the 9 seat, too.

It was strange, but nobody seemed to have an issue with it.

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Was it this guy?

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Jimbo

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My last trip to LA I played with some dude who used a telescope to look at his cards. He sat in the 9 seat, too.

It was strange, but nobody seemed to have an issue with it.

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Was it Johnny Depp?

Jimbo

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Unless Johnny's been hitting the drugs REALLY hard and has spontaneously aged 25 years, I don't think so.

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It's actually an old guy named Joe and it's a telescopic piece that attaches to his glasses. He usually sits in the 5 seat.

A pirate's life for him.

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I don't think there is ever going to be a problem in any tournament play with someone using a sight device on the games. What are you worried the other players will think you are spying on..their pores? Most houses will change your seats too if you let them know you have a disability. What city are you playing in?

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I don't think there is ever going to be a problem in any tournament play with someone using a sight device on the games. What are you worried the other players will think you are spying on..their pores? Most houses will change your seats too if you let them know you have a disability. What city are you playing in?

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Also if a player indicates to me that they can not see the board I am happy to announce the cards for them.

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I have a regular that uses the device...

funny one time saw him go to his viewer and the five seat covered his hole cards with his hands like it was a x-ray vision device...

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As long as you call it a telescope or a monocular, you'll be OK.

But if you use the word "spyglass", insta-ban.

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At Hawaiian Gardens it's printed right on the table: "ENGLISH ONLY AND NO MONACLES WHILE THE HAND IS IN PLAY"

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I have a regular that uses the device...

funny one time saw him go to his viewer and the five seat covered his hole cards with his hands like it was a x-ray vision device...

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You think thats funny, but his concern is not entirely unjustified. Sure it can't see through the cards, but on the other hand if the card was marked (intentionally or unintentionally) then a magnifier could certainly help someone see those markings.

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I have a regular who has one attached to a regular pair of glasses. Never had a player complain. Some folks have actually volunteered to change from the 5/6 seat for him.

Anyone that would complain about this deserves a KITN.

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At Hawaiian Gardens it's printed right on the table: "ENGLISH ONLY AND NO MONACLES WHILE THE HAND IS IN PLAY"

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Would this be an ADA violation?

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At Hawaiian Gardens it's printed right on the table: "ENGLISH ONLY AND NO MONACLES WHILE THE HAND IS IN PLAY"

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binoculars ftw

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I have a regular who has one attached to a regular pair of glasses. Never had a player complain. Some folks have actually volunteered to change from the 5/6 seat for him.

Anyone that would complain about this deserves a KITN.

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I'm not saying anyone should be complaining, just that a player covering up there cards really isn't a nut concerned about x-ray vision. There action isn't unreasonable.

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At Hawaiian Gardens it's printed right on the table: "ENGLISH ONLY AND NO MONACLES WHILE THE HAND IS IN PLAY"

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Would this be an ADA violation?

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NO, ADA requires reasonable accommodations not necessarily the person's accomodation of choice. So you tell someone they can't use a a monocular but you have the dealer announce the board cards they are being accomodated.

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I have a friend that plays at Caesar's IN that has a monacle (spelling?) attached to his glasses and has to pick up his hole cards and read them with a magnifying glass.

I always tell him who I am when I walk up and say hello. I think he recognizes my voice now but old habits are hard to break.

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At Hawaiian Gardens it's printed right on the table: "ENGLISH ONLY AND NO MONACLES WHILE THE HAND IS IN PLAY"

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Would this be an ADA violation?

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NO, ADA requires reasonable accommodations not necessarily the person's accomodation of choice. So you tell someone they can't use a a monocular but you have the dealer announce the board cards they are being accomodated.

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That's not EXACTLY what ADA says. It's not ok to make some minor accommodation. You must make a "reasonable" accommodation. Reading off the board cards would be the best the casino can do for a totally blind person (and I've seen this done). But if a person with limited sight can see the board cards without outside aid if allowed to use a magnifying device, the casino would be very hard pressed to make a case as to why they can't allow it. Just like it's not acceptable for a casino to say their accommodation to wheel chairs is they'll agree to carry their patrons up any stairs--they MUST provide ramps or elevators--it's not necessarily going to be ok to say the dealer will assist the player.

But IANAL.

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i think you just have to go it on room by room basis,many card rooms dont want someone sitting at the table with a nocular or a teloscopic device to see cards,either glasses that fit your prescription or in most cases if you let the dealers know about your issue they should be happy to read the flop cards out to you. I mean they are workin for their tips anyway + most have a basic courtesy in them anyway.