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jj12 10-31-2007 12:27 PM

can I fold my str8 bluff catcher? vs good TAG 1000NL
 
Villain seems like a very good 25/20 TAG. He is not overagro and does stuff like c/f low flops after rring pre. I also seen him give up on his bluffs many times when the pot gets big (i.e. he bluffs quite a bit but usually for small pots).

Earlier we played the following hand. I almost folded because of my read:

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1647.81
Hero: $1338.49
CO: $1081.09
Button: $1361.49
SB: $1301.75
BB: $435.27

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $50</font>, CO calls, 4 folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($125, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $88</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($301, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $199</font>, Hero calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($699, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $510</font>, Hero calls.

He had 8d7d. He probably views me as somewhat of a station so this probably decreases his bluff frequency a lot.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1379.45
Hero: $927.09
CO: $4231.55
Button: $1077
SB: $566
BB: $1440.8

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $35</font>, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($85, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $60</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($205, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $143</font>, Hero calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($491, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $421</font>, Hero calls.

My read on turn was flush draw (that's why I called). Th is a sick nasty card given my read.

Terrabon98 10-31-2007 01:54 PM

Re: can I fold my str8 bluff catcher? vs good TAG 1000NL
 
I would not fold here...i think a call is best, though I don't think a shove is bad either

danjohncochane 10-31-2007 02:13 PM

Re: can I fold my str8 bluff catcher? vs good TAG 1000NL
 
I don't think a shove is a good at all. What do you achieve?
I would call.

dchz 10-31-2007 03:12 PM

Re: can I fold my str8 bluff catcher? vs good TAG 1000NL
 
he may think you are stationy enough to bet 2 pair for value, but a shove accomplishes nothing, call and burn him enough to make this +EV

AAismyfriend 10-31-2007 03:16 PM

Re: can I fold my str8 bluff catcher? vs good TAG 1000NL
 
Cawl, you're probably chopping more than he has a flush.

BobbyLight 10-31-2007 03:37 PM

Re: can I fold my str8 bluff catcher? vs good TAG 1000NL
 
Call. We have the King of hearts which knocks out AK hearts, KQ hearts, K9 hearts,etc..

Also do you think he would bet a hand like 56 hearts on that turn a majority of the time?

That's why I mentioned the King of hearts...I could see him semi-bluffing with ample outs if he had that card but without it knocks him down to just the nine regular flush outs.


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