razz tourney hand
 

I'm trying to improve at razz. Should i have even been in this hand, obviously i hit great cards as the hand developed. when hes showing A35 should i be exiting the hand or do i have alright odds to win it?

Full Tilt Poker Game #4072142644: $5 + $0.50 Tournament (30856736), Table 1 - 60/120 Ante 10 - Limit Razz - 22:17:31 ET - 2007/11/04
Seat 1: Yanamama (1,261)
Seat 2: Chen Kenichi (337)
Seat 3: floppeyone (1,136)
Seat 4: TDP12212012 (563)
Seat 5: CCEngland6 (1,752)
Seat 6: joesmoe24 (1,730)
Seat 7: Capt Bruce (3,609)
Seat 8: ganja71 (1,612)
Yanamama antes 10
Chen Kenichi antes 10
floppeyone antes 10
TDP12212012 antes 10
CCEngland6 antes 10
joesmoe24 antes 10
Capt Bruce antes 10
ganja71 antes 10
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to Yanamama [8s]
Dealt to Chen Kenichi [9s]
Dealt to floppeyone [6h Ah] [7c]
Dealt to TDP12212012 [Qc]
Dealt to CCEngland6 [Tc]
Dealt to joesmoe24 [Ad]
Dealt to Capt Bruce [7h]
Dealt to ganja71 [Td]
TDP12212012 is high with [Qc]
TDP12212012 brings in for 20
CCEngland6 folds
joesmoe24 has 15 seconds left to act
joesmoe24 completes it to 60
Capt Bruce folds
ganja71 folds
Yanamama folds
Chen Kenichi folds
floppeyone calls 60
TDP12212012 folds
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to floppeyone [6h Ah 7c] [5h]
Dealt to joesmoe24 [Ad] [3c]
joesmoe24 bets 60
floppeyone calls 60
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to floppeyone [6h Ah 7c 5h] [3s]
Dealt to joesmoe24 [Ad 3c] [5c]
joesmoe24 bets 120
floppeyone calls 120
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to floppeyone [6h Ah 7c 5h 3s] [4h]
Dealt to joesmoe24 [Ad 3c 5c] [3d]
floppeyone bets 120
joesmoe24 calls 120
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to floppeyone [6h Ah 7c 5h 3s 4h] [Ts]
floppeyone bets 120
joesmoe24 folds
Uncalled bet of 120 returned to floppeyone
floppeyone mucks
floppeyone wins the pot (820)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 820 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Yanamama folded on 3rd St.
Seat 2: Chen Kenichi folded on 3rd St.
Seat 3: floppeyone collected (820), mucked
Seat 4: TDP12212012 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 5: CCEngland6 folded on 3rd St.
Seat 6: joesmoe24 folded on 7th St.
Seat 7: Capt Bruce folded on 3rd St.
Seat 8: ganja71 folded on 3rd St.

Re: razz tourney hand
 

You will get better results with your HHs around here if you use the hand converter - see the pinned thread at top of Stud section.

Raise 3rd. Eh, just raise 'em all.

Re: razz tourney hand
 

Raise 5th, Check/raise 6th, bet 7th.

Re: razz tourney hand
 

I often just call 3rd in a spot like this, where no one can raise behind me, if I think my opponent will play incorrectly on 4th if he bricks (and not fold). I'd probably raise 4th. I doubt I'd raise 5th. I'd usually raise 6th but just calling isn't bad.

You don't know what your opponent had here, but he mucked in the end which to me says he had no chance of winning the hand, he probably paired early and then the 3 paired. The way you played it, he put in a bet on every street, probably way behind, and that's awesome. You raise 4th, the hand is probably all over. But that's results oriented...

In the general sense raising 4th is good because he has an auto bet here, but is FOS something like 40% of the time. You on the other hand have a clean 4 card 7 with none of your outs missing except the 3 that can to your opponent on 4th. I think raising 5th can be a mistake because you'll get 3-bet nearly all the times your behind, he'll fold his worst hands (where he would fire again on 6th if you don't raise) and you're facing reverse implied odds on future streets - you have a hand you can't fold and he either has a hand he can't fold, or a hand he can't call a raise with.

6th I feel can go either way. It's a classic WA/WB situation except I think you're ahead much more often than behind. I like just calling here and raising 7th. I also like raising here. Whatever floats your boat.

Edit: I misread 6th, you actually act first. Yeah, the way the hand was played so far a check raise would be nice.

Re: razz tourney hand
 

Tournament - Razz (60/120), Ante 10, Bring-In 20 (converter)

Seat 1: 1,261
Seat 2: 337
Hero: 1,136
Seat 4: 563
Seat 5: 1,752
Seat 6: 1,730
Seat 7: 3,609
Seat 8: 1,612

3rd Street - (1.33 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 7: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (3.67 SB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (2.83 BB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (4.83 BB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

River - (6.83 BB)

Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 6: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___folds

Total pot: (6.83 BB - 820)

Re: razz tourney hand
 

Probably check-raise sixth, but it looks fine overall. The other guy could well have raised light on third street. I'd consider raising fourth, but I tend to err on the side of caution when I'm getting a little short in a tournament.

Re: razz tourney hand
 

6th c/r sucks, just bet.

Re: razz tourney hand
 

Thanks for converting for me. My major problem on this hand was calling on fifth street since I could be way behind unless he has paired up. I'm likely to only have a 765 low and with him showing A35 already its only marginal, right?

Re: razz tourney hand
 

As I recall the chance that he has paired by 5th st if he started with a legitimate 3 card hand is about 50%. The times he has not paired, he'll have an 8 some times, and the rest of the times he'll have a 7, often a better one than you. If he has a better 7, you're in bad shape, about a 3:1 dog and you'll be calling 3 bets to win 7. However, even if you give him credit for having started with a 3-card 8 or better, you're 50/50 on 5th st. If you give him credit for a 3-card 6, you're a 60:40 dog against his range. I don't think you have to give him credit for better than a 3 card 8 though, because he's only betting into 2 7s and an 8.

He has an auto-bet on 4th (and I think it's correct for him to bet there, even if he's paired). On 5th... A lot of players are going to auto-bet there but I think it's closer to wrong to do so unless you have either a made hand of some description, or a hell of a draw.