so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

situation came up twice in one session -- once versus an unknown who had only called one reraise (he folded the flop) and once versus a player i had history with but has not seen me do this

pretty much same stack sizes/types of flops. anyway . . .

3/6 no limit
600 stacks

i have black kk. he raises to 18. i reraise to 60. he calls.

flop (120)
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i shove for 540.

do you like this more versus an unknown or versus a player who you've played for awhile but hasn't see you do this? or on the other hand . . .

do you hate this more versus an unknown or versus a player who you've played for awhile but hasn't see you do this?

Re: so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

I like it better with a board where you might plausibly have ace high (three wheel cards on board)

Re: so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

I'm not sure who I'd like this more against, but I do have a question - what's the reasoning behind this move? To get called light? To keep mediocre draws from calling/shoving over a cbet?

Re: so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

i think JTx boards might be better than three broadways for repping a bluff (ak/aq might want to do this)

Re: so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

Won't a regular see the transparency of this? Do you ever do this with a draw?

Re: so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

I don't like this because hands that have you completely [censored] will call but nothing else will touch this board.

You definitely have better +EV by just laying out a solid bet.

Re: so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

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i think JTx boards might be better than three broadways for repping a bluff (ak/aq might want to do this)

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three wheel cards != three broadways... agreed that JTx also works though

Re: so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

Shoving is not bad because it's probable that jacks or queens would call you .

I still prefer making a pot size bet though .

Re: so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

I think its fine to do OCCASIONALLY. Say 10% of the time. Would you ever play AK this way?

Re: so i have this big pair -- nl cash
 

crai or bet/folding are better than shoving. But i guess you can shove now vs a regular player who you want to set up some metagame issues with. That's always fun when it works out. But I hate shoving just to charge draws esp on this rediculously dangerous board.