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friend_ 11-16-2007 11:16 PM

1000NL, OOP in reraised pot against two TAGs
 
I really hate the way I played this hand, but I want to know ALL the mistakes I made here.

Villain are both party regs: 16.5/13/2.8 and 17/11/2.2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO ($1000)
Button ($1023)
Hero ($990)
BB ($2737.50)
UTG ($1314)
MP ($1445.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $125</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $120, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $90.

Flop: ($385) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($385) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $260</font>, MP calls $260, CO folds.

River: ($905) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $360</font>, MP calls $1060.50 (All-In), Hero calls $245 (All-In).

Final Pot: $2570.50

1) preflop. I very rarely 4bet with QQ + ranges of these two guys are pretty tight. However I dont know how I may fold QQ on a non-K or non-A flop. So, should I definately 4bet pf?
2) flop. here I think I missed a bet. Would you shove if this bet get raised?
3) river. In this situation I almost always hear: "Shove yourself". I decided not shoving on the river, cause this villain may fold medium pairs to a shove, but may call a smaller bet with 88 or 66. The problem with this strategy is that I think I should fold to a raise if I dont shove here. So, will you call as played?

highstakesfish 11-16-2007 11:28 PM

Re: 1000NL, OOP in reraised pot against two TAGs
 
1) 4bet&gt; fold &gt; call
2) yes
3) yes

sholler 11-16-2007 11:32 PM

Re: 1000NL, OOP in reraised pot against two TAGs
 
4bet pf, i fold more than i call a shove pf(against 2 nits), but folding every time is sooooo bad. safe to lead flop against 2 villains, shove if raised. if i knew the other guy had 88 for a fact on river i would probably shove for value


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