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Full live 40. Villain is Gary who was Smoothcall on 2+2 long, long ago. He is a very smart and tricky player. He knows I am pretty crazy and we play back at each other a lot. Important to note is that Gary steams a lot more than some players. At the moment he is steaming a little so his range is a bit looser than normal but it does not seem to be effecting his postflop play.

UTG limps, I limp next with 33, Gary limps in MP, guy limps in LP, sb completes, bb checks. When I limped I say something like "I've had this hand a ton of times today and still haven't won with it".

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Checks around.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Check to me I bet, Gary raises, fold to me I 3bet, Gary 4bets

5 bet and check pretty much all rivers except 3/5 (folding some and calling others) or just call down now?

Keep in mind he is capable of 4betting turn with pure air and semibluffs.

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"LOL"

-DeathDonkey

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Can you explain why not calldown after his first raise? This seems kinda crazy on the surface... I mean, how much induced 4b bluff equity do u have? I thought the steaming didn't affect his postflop play....

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The only offensive thing about that picture is that you only posted one.

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I agree completely - this post makes it seem like OP's 3-bet is a given and doesn't even ask our opinion on it. I think it is definite spew - you will probably look at 53s or 64s or a weirdly played set plenty when you are raised on the turn. Or he could have busted clubs when he raises sometimes of course (which probably include overcards giving him more outs). I'd probably call the turn and then see what's what on the river (but given what you said I think calling down is probably ok).

Jeff

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i dunno why but this reminds me of a hand where i got to 8-bet a guy on the turn with aces on an AT74 board that had two hearts and two spades. the river blanked off, i bet, he folded KQhh face up and said "i missed." someone asked him why he 7-bet me on the turn and he responds "i knew he had aces, i was just raising for value."

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"Keep in mind he is capable of 4betting turn with pure air and semibluffs."

youre right. and this is why your turn 3 bet is so so bad.

you played this hand so bad i think it might give us all aids. i never limp w/ 33 in early position anymore, im sold over years of experience that it's just got to be losing poker even in loose good games.

please dont make things worse by posting results. if you won, it's not because you played great it's because your opponent somehow managed to play it even worse than you.

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The thing is it didn't have to be a tough spot.

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But what hands is he 4betting for value? I felt the more dollars he put into the pot the more unpossible it would be for him to have me beat.