What Should Affiliates Do in Regards to the Absolute Poker Issue?
 

I'm sure most of you know by now the issues surrounding cheating at AP. If you do not know the active thread is here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0&fpart=1

Let's keep this thread more along the lines of what affiliates should do or are thinking. A large poker affiliate forum decided to censor discussions on this so there needs to be an open place for this discussion. First I'm curious what the community is thinking so I made a poll. I made it for both players and affiliates so there would not be any double voting. It is getting close to time for there to be action IMO, I just want to see if others have the same opinion.

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Although I shouldn't say anything lol I am willing to bet that no affiliates drop them. Please note that I do not promote them now so I guess my vote doesn't count unless you consider Vegas which is a graveyard without the BBJ tables. I do offer UB though and no plans to drop that side of things.

I just don't think most are willing to give up income when they have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

I am happy to hear any players thoughts on this though....

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So Absolute hasn't addressed this yet?. Amazing!

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I am a player and I feel affiliates should stop promoting AP/UB NOW until the issue is addressed COMPLETELY and fully..IMO this issue goes far betong cheating,collusion and/or bots..

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Although I shouldn't say anything lol I am willing to bet that no affiliates drop them. Please note that I do not promote them now so I guess my vote doesn't count unless you consider Vegas which is a graveyard without the BBJ tables. I do offer UB though and no plans to drop that side of things.

I just don't think most are willing to give up income when they have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

I am happy to hear any players thoughts on this though....

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Interesting thoughts and likely right on the money. I guess the market in the end will have to decide if there is a demand. I'm sure that will be dependant on how it is handled. I find it interesting the AP traffic has been slightly up since this broke but there are many fewer higher limit games. It's not likely this story would ever find its way to the more casual players.

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I am a player and I feel affiliates should stop promoting AP/UB NOW until the issue is addressed COMPLETELY and fully..IMO this issue goes far betong cheating,collusion and/or bots..

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Let's say that I haven't got paid from a site as an affiliate, but you get paid as a player and are winning. Would you leave the site? What about if they were skimming from me?

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I am an affiliate and have already stopped promoting AP/UB
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Although I shouldn't say anything lol I am willing to bet that no affiliates drop them. Please note that I do not promote them now so I guess my vote doesn't count unless you consider Vegas which is a graveyard without the BBJ tables. I do offer UB though and no plans to drop that side of things.

I just don't think most are willing to give up income when they have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

I am happy to hear any players thoughts on this though....

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Interesting thoughts and likely right on the money. I guess the market in the end will have to decide if there is a demand. I'm sure that will be dependant on how it is handled. I find it interesting the AP traffic has been slightly up since this broke but there are many fewer higher limit games. It's not likely this story would ever find its way to the more casual players.

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What do you think you would have done with RRR? Would you have made the AP/UB offers come down from your site?

I think 95% of AP's database will never even hear about this issue.

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A large poker affiliate forum decided to censor discussions on this so there needs to be an open place for this discussion.

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bad stance. Who is banning this discussion?

BTW. I'm here everyday and hear about this for the first time!
(although I don't play there so ignore some posts)

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Pokeraffiliateworld.com deleted the discussion at the request of Absolute Poker.

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I am a player and I feel affiliates should stop promoting AP/UB NOW until the issue is addressed COMPLETELY and fully..IMO this issue goes far betong cheating,collusion and/or bots..

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Let's say that I haven't got paid from a site as an affiliate, but you get paid as a player and are winning. Would you leave the site? What about if they were skimming from me?

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I would with 100% certainty not play at a site until the situation is resolved...I would NEVER trust a site that is not paying there affiliate obligations...I would expect full disclosure of the reasons why the site is not paying..

I am with an affiliate I trust 100% and would not doubt there honesty..If my affiliate was not getting paid I would not expect to be paid..Once again I would expect full disclosure as to the reason for the lack of payment..

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I think you take this too personally. It's not like "enemy of our fried...". It' not about if player like affiliates or affiliates like players.

As I see it this issue can hurt the business. The affiliates can lose MUCH more by supporting bad behavior.
A doubt any reasonable big affiliate has more than 10% of income from AP. This issue can ... errr this issue will lower his income from other sites.

That's the reason I voted for "I am a player that feels affiliates should stop promoting AP/UB soon if AP continues to ignore the situation". This issue has to be solved quickly and clearly.

Or the impact for all subjects of the market will be bad.

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After the bombshell that came out today it is time for affiliates to seriously rethink their relationship with AP IMO. Of course removing 2 US friendly poker rooms isn't the best business decision but OTOH promoting a poker room that appears to have been completely involved in the cheating puts AP/UB up there with the likes of Pro Poker or Pokertropolis. I strongly encourage all affiliates to review the new evidence scattered in threads all over the forum that suggest AP's involvement or at the least a massive coverup and endless lies.

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...but OTOH promoting a poker room that appears to have been completely involved in the cheating...

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You're basically saying that poker room management knowingly cheated players. Bit of a stretch, don't you think? Is there any information out there proving this was more than a single disgruntled employee?

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...but OTOH promoting a poker room that appears to have been completely involved in the cheating...

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You're basically saying that poker room management knowingly cheated players. Bit of a stretch, don't you think? Is there any information out there proving this was more than a single disgruntled employee?

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Please read all of the information available about this, especially what has surfaced in the last 24 hours.

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...but OTOH promoting a poker room that appears to have been completely involved in the cheating...

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You're basically saying that poker room management knowingly cheated players. Bit of a stretch, don't you think? Is there any information out there proving this was more than a single disgruntled employee?

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Most everyone not just PA are saying ABS had cheaters on their site. Many opnions on management (very few positives). Look for threads in Internet Gambling. It's all there.

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Read my post...

I'm not saying they didn't have cheaters. PA is implying that POKER ROOM MANAGEMENT cheated players. I think that's misleading and irresponsible.

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Either they were involved in the actual cheating or they helped to cover up the cheating. Take your pick. Either way they are sitting on the stolen funds lying to players about what happened.

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I read your post. You should consider reading that thread. I think PA's intent is to protect players and that is a good thing. Management is definitely negligent somewhere along the line and maybe even from the beginning.

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BTW BW has officially blacklisted AP and removed UB from their site. I hope many others follow suit.

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...but OTOH promoting a poker room that appears to have been completely involved in the cheating...

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You're basically saying that poker room management knowingly cheated players. Bit of a stretch, don't you think? Is there any information out there proving this was more than a single disgruntled employee?

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You are right here...LOL it was as 1 theory goes 1 "disgruntled" employee that sent Marco the "smoking gun" by "mistake" a complete hand history with EVERY PLAYERS hole cards,IP addresses and E-mail...This HH proved beyond a reasonable doubt what was happening and that Absolute was lying and attempting to cover it up...Absolute Management attempted to pass it off as bad poker strategy that just got lucky...Absolute did admit to the chip dumping but claimed that it was made to several unrelated accounts and was unrelated since there was no foul play...

I would suggest you read up on the numerous threads and get your facts straight..

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As a customer, I prefer to work with companies who choose ethical business practice and long-term profitability over the quick buck.

This means, as a poker player, I'd rather choose (and have already chosen) to work with affiliates who cancel their Absolute deals.

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As a customer, I prefer to work with companies who choose ethical business practice and long-term profitability over the quick buck.

This means, as a poker player, I'd rather choose (and have already chosen) to work with affiliates who cancel their Absolute deals.]

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Maybe I misunderstood the post but what would likely happen if an affiliate dropped AP would be they would still get paid for plyers already sent that choose to keep playing there. Also rakeback players would continue to get paid.

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As a customer, I prefer to work with companies who choose ethical business practice and long-term profitability over the quick buck.

This means, as a poker player, I'd rather choose (and have already chosen) to work with affiliates who cancel their Absolute deals.]

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Maybe I misunderstood the post but what would likely happen if an affiliate dropped AP would be they would still get paid for plyers already sent that choose to keep playing there. Also rakeback players would continue to get paid.

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By "cancel" I meant "quit taking new players". I was not talking about already existing deals. Sorry, English is not my mother tongue.

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NP, just wanted to make sure players knew not to worry if their affiliate bailed on AP.

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And the plot thickens as evidence is found that one or more of the players in question have IPs that tie them back to Absolute.

I don't have time to post links right now (on my way out the door), but if you find the thread on the front page of the Zoo (Internet Gambling), you can follow the links from there.

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It would be good to have some kind of summarization or "today links".
That threads are long as hell.

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I think it is discouraging to see many affiliates still promoting Absolute even though it is known they lie and steal large amounts of money from players. It will make it in the long term difficult to trust affiliates if they do not have their customers interests in mind.

I am obviously not saying all affiliates and I understand they would be giving up some money, but I have a great respect for affiliates/all business people that put their customers above short term money.

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I see it the same way. The real problem is I can no longer trust them.

I had had an approach that poker site that isn't on BonusWhores doesn't exist for me (bonuswhores is a guarantee that the site won't steal my money). That was because I saw bonuswhores really fights for their customers (even when it came to the "get bonus and run" situations)
Then I trusted some affiliates and gave a try to some rooms not listed on bonuswhores.

From now on the Bonuswhores is again the only trustworthy server and a poker room not on bonuswhores no longer exists for me. (with the exception of poker rooms that I have good experience with)




What about a well written e-mail that players would send to their affiliates to tell them this decreases their reputation as a "we trust you means we trust poker rooms you promote".

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I wouldnt be able to look myself in the mirror if I didnt stop promoting AP. What shocks me the most is them not admitting it which imo is very unprofessional.To bad we are only a small portion of the players and that most of the traffic will keep on going on AP.