27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

Block river or set up bluff & call or c/fold?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1465)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t3170)
MP2 (t1010)
CO (t1425)
Button (t1765)
SB (t1655)
Hero (t1510)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t15, Hero checks

Flop: (t120) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t100, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>

Turn: (t320) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets t285</font>, MP2 calls t285

River: (t890) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP2 bets t595 (All-in)</font>, Hero ?

Re: 27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

villain is so short that block bet makes very little sense. I probably c/c riv. Hard to see villain here with a 3 in his hand so maybe villain has like 78s. Hard to put him on a straight tho so I probably don't fold here since the pot is so big and he'd have to have a pair and catch a str8 draw on turn...

Re: 27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

I suppose the block bet on the river may stop him from shoving with a hand like QJ,QT. I think I would call in this situation, although it would probably be only a 50/50 in my own mind whether the villain was bluffing. I would also be interested to know what he was holding in the end if you called.

Re: 27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

I would check/call this as there is a lot of hands here that you are ahead of still that could play like this.

Missed flush with Qh, 64 has OESD on the flop just made 2 pair, Q4,Q5,Q6, 99-JJ (questionable but possible).

Re: 27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

surprisingly enough, this line even against someone with not a ton of chips is a bluff a lot or some really dumb value bet. if he played any 3 or 8 like this, he basically sucks, so id just c/c river readless.

Re: 27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

Can't see 33 calling on the flop. 88 maybe.

Many more hands that you beat than 88 are in this hand. So I like the way you played it.

Re: 27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

I hate these situations, but it's something where level 1 thinking kinduv takes over: I have too strong a hand to fold here. I don't know how to "fix" this line of thought, but I just never fold here given these stacks.

Barry

Re: 27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

The "fix" here usually lies in the betting amounts, but TFG's bet sizing looks ok to me. I suppose you might bet pot on turn, but he bet close, and that doesn't really make river that much easier. Unless villain has 68s or 89s as a total donk, Q8s also as a donk, 88, or a set (should have raised turn, so I'm ruling this out), we are good. Since 88 is the only real hand I fear here, I think we can call this profitably, as shorties love to shove all in when they have no other way to win the hand. Also, I agree with c/c on river, as blocking here should stop all pure bluff attempts and you'll still have to call when he shoves without a sick read.

Re: 27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

These guys who are a little short already are more likely to be bad, and the board isn't really bad unless he called the flop with a gutshot or some unlikely hand like Q8 or something. So I would never fold if I check and he shoves but don't want to give a showdown to hands I beat, so I just shove river and expect to get called by worse.

Re: 27T: Call river shove on possible straight board?
 

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I would also be interested to know what he was holding in the end if you called.

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87o. I still think a call here is usually good.