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thekoenna 11-15-2007 10:15 PM

AA on an ugly board
 
Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Villain is 11/11
Button ($49.25)
SB ($66.55)
Hero ($62.25)
UTG ($56.85)
MP ($51.50)
CO ($84.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]], A[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]].
[color=Gray]4 folds</font>, [color=Red]SB raises to $1.5</font>, [color=Red]Hero raises to $4.5</font>, SB calls $3.

Flop: ($9) J[[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], J[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], 7[[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [color=Blue](2 players)</font>
SB checks, [color=Red]Hero bets $7.5</font>, SB calls $7.50.

Turn: ($24) 9[[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [color=Blue](2 players)</font>
[color=Red]SB bets $14</font>, Hero calls $14.

River: ($52) Q[[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] [color=Blue](2 players)</font>
[color=Red]SB bets $40.55 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $36.25 (All-In).

Final Pot: $128.80

fold on turn?

ironlion69 11-15-2007 10:32 PM

Re: AA on an ugly board
 
I think the better play would have been to raise the turn bet. This way you save money if he has j. If you raise the turn bet and he reraises you, you are most likely beat and you can throw the hand away. If he flat calls then your prob beat as well. The only hand you beat that are in his range are queens or a bluff. He prob 4 bets you on the flop w/ kings. Looks like he has somehthing like AJ to me. or maybe even a full house makes a lot of sence. nines over jacks. I think you save yourself money raising the turn tho but looking on the stack sizes, you dont have much fold equity. So maybe folding the turn bet would be a better play. Tough hand

Ace0fSpades 11-15-2007 10:43 PM

Re: AA on an ugly board
 
This is a pretty gross spot - I think raise/folding the turn might be the way to go. As played the river is a must fold since you only really beat KK.

vixticator 11-15-2007 10:44 PM

Re: AA on an ugly board
 
I like your line best. Re-raised pot unless he flopped Quads or a full house, just let him shove the river. You don't need to protect your hand. And, no one who takes this line is going to c/f river much. Nice hand IMO.

edit: Do what you did or shove turn. Either way. Don't fold.

thekoenna 11-15-2007 10:44 PM

Re: AA on an ugly board
 
but if I raise the turn I am so totally commited to the pot...

Al_Money 11-15-2007 10:44 PM

Re: AA on an ugly board
 
11/11 over how many hands? If he is truly a nit, I would consider folding turn. Fold river as played.

Al_Money 11-15-2007 10:44 PM

Re: AA on an ugly board
 
[ QUOTE ]
but if I raise the turn I am so totally commited to the pot...

[/ QUOTE ]

agreed, raise/folding the turn is pretty bad guys.

A_K 11-15-2007 10:45 PM

Re: AA on an ugly board
 
The flat call on the paired board looks pretty scary. Without a pretty specific read I dump the turn when he leads.

Edit: missed the stats before I posted. 11 makes it a little more interesting. What hands does he call your raise that includes a jack?

thekoenna 11-16-2007 07:48 AM

Re: AA on an ugly board
 
I think his call oop with any J is bad, especially he plays 11/11. maybe it's because of our blindfight.

do u have him on a J? After a while I think the turn-donk-bet is obv a J. Do u agree?

nortino 11-16-2007 09:33 AM

Re: AA on an ugly board
 
You make life easier for yourself if you raise more pre-flop. e.g., say:

Preflop:

SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $8

Flop ($16)

SB checks, Hero Bets $16, SB calls $16

Turn ($48)

Here you've got $38.25 left with a pot of $48, so you're committed anyway I think, so either shove or call a shove.

Obviously he is much more likely to fold pre-flop if you do this, but by trying to extract value from you Aces you've got yourself into a difficult spot against a tight player.

As it stands, none of your options look attractive on the turn, which indicates something went wrong earlier.


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