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slush420 11-24-2007 11:15 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

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its fine if you have been terrorizing him.

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Would it not be better to 4bet a bit lighter to $17.50? Not saying this changes our decision much, but it kind of doesn't let him play perfectly since we aren't past committment.

tannenj 11-24-2007 11:20 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

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its fine if you have been terrorizing him.

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Would it not be better to 4bet a bit lighter to $17.50? Not saying this changes our decision much, but it kind of doesn't let him play perfectly since we aren't past committment.

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agree with this. i think you mean "smaller," though, not "lighter." lighter implies doing it with a weaker hand.

whyzze 11-24-2007 11:21 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
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[ QUOTE ]
Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

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its fine if you have been terrorizing him.

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Would it not be better to 4bet a bit lighter to $17.50? Not saying this changes our decision much, but it kind of doesn't let him play perfectly since we aren't past committment.

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depends on opponent. I will 5bet shove a bunch of stuff if their 4bet looks like its engineered for a fold.

slush420 11-24-2007 11:29 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
[ QUOTE ]
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[ QUOTE ]
Thoughts on this versus a 21/15 reg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $53.20
CO: $48.90
BTN: $62.60
SB: $83.70
BB: $170.30
UTG: $41.05

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $83.70 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $31.20 and is All-In

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its fine if you have been terrorizing him.

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Would it not be better to 4bet a bit lighter to $17.50? Not saying this changes our decision much, but it kind of doesn't let him play perfectly since we aren't past committment.

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depends on opponent. I will 5bet shove a bunch of stuff if their 4bet looks like its engineered for a fold.

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This is why you balance with AA/KK and do the same. I don't think you're losing much equity as a PSB on the flop puts all but a buck or two in the middle. And yes your thinking is correct Whyzze which is why I usually 4bet to an amount 1/3rd of the effective stack so that 5bet shoves can be lighter.

whyzze 11-24-2007 11:31 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
i agree with you completely. my 4bet would be 18-20 depending on the size of his 3bet.

mojed 11-24-2007 11:32 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Goofyballer talks about sizing 4bets in his NL50 vid, that with 100bb stacks our light 4bets need to be smaller than pot sized to leave us with leverage (ie allow us to fold), and thus our 4bets for value should also be less than pot sized (to remain unexploitable).

tannenj 11-24-2007 11:34 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
see this thread for elaboration.

fwiw, i 4bet much more often pre with premiums than with junk.

slush420 11-25-2007 12:02 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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see this thread for elaboration.

fwiw, i 4bet much more often pre with premiums than with junk.

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I agree with that post. But to bring caution, make sure it's like the 3rd or 4th time in a session that villain has 3bet you to employ this. That is important. Also make sure villain has 3bet multiple times in certain position in a small sample of hands.

ICMoney 11-25-2007 01:31 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Haven't played in forever and made some of the loosest calls of my life.

-$175 or something.


I call anything when I'm tilted.

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $55.95
UTG: $49.25
MP: $15.15
CO: $49.80
BTN: $52.85
SB: $98.35

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, BTN calls $10, SB folds

Flop: ($27.50) 8http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $15</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $40.85 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $25.85

Turn: ($109.20) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($109.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $109.20 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens) and LOST (-$52.85 NET)
BTN showed J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens) and WON $106.20 (+$53.35 NET)




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HAND #2
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $49.25
MP: $48
CO: $24.75
BTN: $49.75
SB: $132.10
BB: $94.65

Pre-Flop: Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 9http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP folds, CO calls $2, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($6.75) 8http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $22.75 and is All-In</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $18.25

Turn: ($52.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($52.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $52.25 Pot ($2.60 Rake)
Hero showed Thttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif 9http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (Jack Ten high) and LOST (-$24.75 NET)
CO showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Jacks and Eights) and WON $49.65 (+$24.90 NET)

Kimo White Devil 11-25-2007 02:16 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Moving up and running good is better than sex...well maybe not **** sex but normal weekday sex with standard partner. hmmm...anyways here it is :

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3...novshotac8.gif


now i need to play more hands obv.


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