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DannyOcean_ 06-20-2007 04:55 PM

NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($37.85)
Hero ($24.90)
SB ($39.40)
BB ($23.90)
UTG ($24.95)
MP ($6.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, CO calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $4.35</font>, Hero calls $4.35.

Turn: ($13.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: ($13.05) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets $31.75 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $44.80

I really didn't know how to proceed with that donk bet, but the board isn't super drawy and i figured i might be in a WA/WB situation on the flop. My thought was to call the flop and call one more medium sized bet, but to fold to more pressure than that.

What line do you take for the rest of the hand after this flop action?

Reef 06-20-2007 04:57 PM

Re: NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
I prob bet turn for starters

and then can decide if vbet is good for river if villian just calls.

DannyOcean_ 06-20-2007 04:59 PM

Re: NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
Isn't betting the turn bad if we are WA/WB? It seemed to me to be that kind of situation. No reads, but typically i'm not getting many worse hands to call me on the turn.

Vyse 06-20-2007 05:11 PM

Re: NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
Value bet turn all day long, checking behind is weak.

DannyOcean_ 06-20-2007 05:14 PM

Re: NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
maybe i'm in the practice of playing TPGK too weakly. I'll try betting out on these boards more.

theflyingcow 06-20-2007 05:15 PM

Re: NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
Dry board + PTSB villian donkbet = pot control. I like checking the turn against passive postflop opponent.

Vyse 06-20-2007 05:17 PM

Re: NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
It's really not THAT dry. The eight adds more potential draws. Villain being passive is exactly why I bet, as he'll definitely let us know if we're dead, allowing us to play perfectly.

Emperor Norton 06-20-2007 05:17 PM

Re: NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
[ QUOTE ]
Isn't betting the turn bad if we are WA/WB? It seemed to me to be that kind of situation. No reads, but typically i'm not getting many worse hands to call me on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

KJ/QJ still call a medium-sized turn bet. If he checkraises, or calls/leads the river, congratulations, because you got to set your own price to find out where you stood. If you bet half-pot and then fold, that's a couple of bucks better than calling two/thirds pot on the river.

Actually, I don't see anything that led the flop that strongly folding to a bet on the turn. So you can bet to charge draws, get value out of weaker hands, and gain information about where you stand.

06-20-2007 06:33 PM

Re: NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
I reraise flop and bet turn if checked to. The way played fold.

bet124 06-20-2007 06:54 PM

Re: NL25 - Pot-sized donk bet
 
[ QUOTE ]
Value bet turn all day long, checking behind is weak.

[/ QUOTE ]
Why is checking behind weak? I think checking behind on the turn for pot control is good, and I donīt see the point why not always betting is weak? In my eyes, always betting everything on all streets is worser.
I like the hand.


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