nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

Villian is Tag...15/13.
Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
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MP: $94
CO: $648.80
BTN: $779.10
Hero (SB): $398.30
BB: $400
UTG: $470.60
UTG+1: $105.15

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $4, 3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $18</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $62</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $160</font>, <font color="red">Hero ?

Re: nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

Shove and hope he folds whatever thing he's getting proper odds to call with.

EDIT: Actually, I didn't see that he was isoing a UTG limper. That makes it closer. Everything seems viable here. Idk if I fully believe his four-bet on the button. A lot of people will flat here. What are UTG's numbers if you have any?

Re: nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

UTG folded to my 3 bet.

Re: nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

No I understand but I'm wondering what UTG's PT numbers are anyway. Because if UTG's like a super donk or weak-tight, this is a standard button open for a TAG which means his range is wide (K9, QT, etc). But if UTG is also a TAG, then BTN's initial raising range shrinks (and hence, his four-bet range, in theory anyway).

Re: nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

any 3 betting history of note?

Re: nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

gOOD Point...he was very weak tight...10/2....
What does that say about button raise?

Re: nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

BTN's probably pretty solid. UTG is clearly a nit and he limped UTG. Provided BTN's not on autopilot (and even still, it's hard to miss a 10/2), he probably doesn't raise the 10/2 light (unless UTG is so weak that he just constantly call-preflop/folds-to-c-bet). I think his four-bet range here is pretty squarely QQ+, AK and he's not folding. With the money already in the middle, it's still ultra close. I probably muck / note, but I'm pissed as all hell about it.

Re: nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

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BTN's probably pretty solid. UTG is clearly a nit and he limped UTG. Provided BTN's not on autopilot (and even still, it's hard to miss a 10/2), he probably doesn't raise the 10/2 light (unless UTG is so weak that he just constantly call-preflop/folds-to-c-bet). I think his four-bet range here is pretty squarely QQ+, AK and he's not folding. With the money already in the middle, it's still ultra close. I probably muck / note, but I'm pissed as all hell about it.

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Very insighful analysis! I'll definitelt keep that in perspective!

Re: nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

I'd fold it as well.

Re: nl400...AKs vs. 4 bet
 

if UTG is a setminer, a TAG on the button could very easily be raising damn near anything playable.