($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

Villain is nvestr21, probably a somewhat losing player. His stats preflop are, I dunno, 20/5 or something after 75 hands or so. I have a feeling I'm gonna get berated for limping AQ here UTG; I'd like some opinions on it anyway. Is postflop OK? I'm not sure what to really put him on that beats me here other than 44 and maybe 99. Anyone push flop? Fold flop? Fold turn? Blech.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t2495)
UTG+1 (t2700)
MP1 (t2810)
MP2 (t2190)
MP3 (t3745)
CO (t3810)
Button (t2695)
SB (t3005)
BB (t3480)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero calls t30, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, BB checks

Flop: (t195) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t120</font>, MP2 calls t120, <font color="red">MP3 raises to t456</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, Hero calls t336, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>

Turn: (t1227) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP3 bets t820</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t2009 (All-in)</font>

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

Preflop, I like to raise AQo UTG with these blinds, and fold to a reraise.

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I pretty much auto make it 90 preflop. When you get the money in, in this fashion, I think your equity is going to be pretty bad. MP3 is raising through CO, Button and BB

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

I would raise preflop. As played I guess you lose to 99 and 44 maybe Q9s he will raises with 99 some percent of the time I guess I get it in, but I'm not thrilled.

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

if you limp, vs. someone with these stats, snap fold the flop.

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

There's a time and place for everything in poker, except limping AQo UTG full-ring with these stacks. I'd have to have a super player dependent line to ever take that line. Like there has to be people who will raise you really wide and no one who's calling that raise because it's only 5% of their stack, for this ever to be a profitable situation. And those two conditions, a few people who will raise limpers super wide and very few who will call super wide, are pretty rare in level one of MTTs.

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

Yeh, I am an advocate of sometimes limping, but this is a really bad spot to limp.

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

You can call the flop but fold turn because he's prob peeliung a lot of draws

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

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There's a time and place for everything in poker, except limping AQo UTG full-ring with these stacks.

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level?

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raising preflop is better. please dont go broke here. if you thought you had the best hand you played it way too tricky. The turn is a blank and you get it all in on the turn. to do this you had to think you were best on the flop. So you should have RR the flop...

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

I don't think that limping is that bad, but I think that you need to fold this on the turn. Although there is no way that this guy can put you on AQ here, I think that there arent many hands that he is going broke with here that you have beat, especially since you have the Qc. I think that you will rarely see KQ/QJ here r/r the flop after bet/call on flop by 2 people. So basically the worst thing you are looking at here is JTcc, which you are not THAT far ahead of. I think that this is a set way too often to go broke with TPTK

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There's a time and place for everything in poker, except limping AQo UTG full-ring with these stacks.

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level?

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No (although I'm not sure why I was being so bumptious). I mean, how can it be good in level one against monkeys, with no reads? What's the point?

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Yeh, I am an advocate of sometimes limping, but this is a really bad spot to limp.

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What would be a good spot to limp with AQ if this isn't one?

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Yeh, I am an advocate of sometimes limping, but this is a really bad spot to limp.

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What would be a good spot to limp with AQ if this isn't one?

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I said there are reasonable spots to limp, not to limp AQ. You might limp AQ in early position with 17-40xBB. The idea would be to limpreraise, but you could fold depending on the action, and there might also be situations to limp/call. However, in general AQ is just not a good hand to open limp.

With reasonably deep money, raising AQo UTG works fairly well. QQ+ and AK usually reraise. So you generally are not dominated if you are called.

You don't get a lot of value raising AQ in early position , because when you hit, it is what people are expecting.

With the limp, what do you do if you are raised? All the alternatives are not very good. In a limped pot, you have a hand that makes ace high or TPTK/TPGK, which is not very profitable and tricky to play.

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You don't get a lot of value raising AQ in early position , because when you hit, it is what people are expecting.

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I have a feeling you guys won't like this but is folding it UTG an option? I think in an MTT raising it is probably best just because, like you say, AK usually reraises (in a sng it doesn't so AQ has always been a problem to play for me).

It just seems as though when you hit you can't get action except for hands that beat you UNLESS there are uberdonks on the table. I should have definitely just raised (or mucked) it. How about folding it on a decent table and raising it on a bad table? Thoughts?

Ryan

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

With AJ or AT, you could raise, limp, or fold. Just raise AQ, but you don't get huge EV.

Limping AQ may be OK if you don't go broke with top pair. Problem is that someone limping behind in position with a suited connector or small pair has an advantage. Also, you don't know what to do to a raise. If you raise UTG, you have an easy fold to a reraise, and you are dominated the majority of the time.

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

raising pre-flop needs to be made... I would probably re-raised the flop to put him on a decision if you are feeling like risking your chips against a flush draw. Against the loose player, I would re-raise push the flop because if a card that doesn't seem to help him on the turn comes you are going to be pushing the turn like you did. Basically raise pre-flop is the only thing i see wrong with the hand other than that i don't think you played it bad.

Re: ($109) Going broke w/ AQ in an unraised pot
 

raise pre, then feel ok going broke... as played fold flop or turn. I dont mind flop call since he's probably checking behind his draws on the turn.