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Poofler 12-02-2007 01:07 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

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One of USC's losses is so utterly terrible though.

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But but but

Stanford beat Cal
Cal beat Tennessee
Tennessee beat Georgia
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ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 01:08 AM

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Assani,

Please join us in the Washington Huskies victory game thread.

MyTurn2Raise 12-02-2007 01:08 AM

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OU beat Missouri by 21 points. Not by 1, not by 3, by 21. And they only lost to Texas Tech because Bradford was out.

If it was just the 2-loss team with the best SOS vs. the best 1-loss team, we'd be looking at Ohio State/Missouri.

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This just in: Mizzou has been overrated all year. Just like Kansas. And South Florida. And Cal. And BC. And West Virginia.

You guys need to stop talking about the idiotic human polls like they mean anything.

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Where did I mention the polls? The point is that Missouri went 11-0 this year in games against teams not named Oklahoma including wins over otherwise 11-0 Kansas and otherwise 9-2 Illinois. They were most certainly not "overrated".

Beating them once at a neutral site is a better win than is held by any of the top contenders. Beating them twice including a 3 TD win at a neutral site is much, much better than anything the top contenders have done.

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The Illini and the Jayhawks both played easy, easy, easy schedules. That makes it easy to have a good record. All you're doing now is rewarding bad conferences and awful schedules.

USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed. Those are the teams, in whatever order you prefer.

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Not the hardest, but not easy

they did go 5-3 against bowl elgible teams

they did play the top 4 in the Big11Ten other than themselves

they did play Mizzou in St. Louis, which is a 60/40 Mizzou crowd

DVaut1 12-02-2007 01:09 AM

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USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed.

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

But lol at you, who blasts others for using meaningless polls, going back to cite the [censored] preseason polls, the most irrelevant of all rankings.

FlyWf 12-02-2007 01:09 AM

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The Illini and the Jayhawks both played easy, easy, easy schedules. That makes it easy to have a good record. All you're doing now is rewarding bad conferences and awful schedules.

USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed. Those are the teams, in whatever order you prefer.

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What is your explanation for the computers liking OSU more than USC or LSU? Are they also biased against the SEC?

barryc83 12-02-2007 01:11 AM

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USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed.

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

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I agree. People write off this USC loss as a fluke and I agree it was a fluke. But it did indeed happen and USC should be punished for it accordingly.

Kos13 12-02-2007 01:11 AM

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USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed.

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

But lol at you, who blasts others for using meaningless polls, going back to cite the [censored] preseason polls, the most irrelevant of all rankings.

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I still don't get how this is relevant while OU's loss to Tech is forgotten.

SoloAJ 12-02-2007 01:11 AM

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WHY IS OKLAHOMA NOT IN THE TITLE GAME? THEY JUST BEAT THE #1 TEAM IN THE NATION. THAT MAKES THEM THE #1 TEAM IN THE NATION!!!!!!!!!

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KENTUCKY VS ARKANSAS VS STANFORD VS OKLAHOMA VS APPALACHIAN STATE VS CAL'S BAND 4 ALL DA MARBLES!!!

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DVaut1 12-02-2007 01:12 AM

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USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed.

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

But lol at you, who blasts others for using meaningless polls, going back to cite the [censored] preseason polls, the most irrelevant of all rankings.

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I still don't get how this is relevant while OU's loss to Tech is forgotten.

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Who's forgetting it? OU isn't going to the title game AFAIK. It's been taken into consideration and will, along with their loss to Colorado, keep them out of the title game. Just like USC's loss to Stanford will do the same. What am I missing here?

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I guess LSU gets the shot, and will destroy OSU in basically a repeat of last years title game lesson: The Big-10 is total crap compared to the SEC.


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Yes, a lesson really reinforced by the other bowl game match ups last year.

The Big Ten was the best conference in America as recently as 2005. Stop being stupid. Please.

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Um, it's 2007, and the Big Ten is awful. That's all that matters.

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Agreed, and not to get sidetracked, but Big-10 as the best in '05? I strongly disagree, but this is not the thread for it.

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Jorge10 12-02-2007 01:12 AM

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1 team that tOSU beat is in the top 25 right now. Their most impressive win is against a 19th ranked team, they are Hawaii light.

Big Ten Standings
Conf All
Ohio State (3) 7-1 11-1
Illinois (15) 6-2 9-3
Michigan 6-2 8-4
Wisconsin (19) 5-3 9-3
Penn State 4-4 8-4
Iowa 4-4 6-6
Michigan State 3-5 7-5
Purdue 3-5 7-5
Indiana 3-5 7-5
Northwestern 3-5 6-6
Minnesota 0-8 1-11

Date Opponent Time/Result
Sat, Sep 1 Youngstown State W 38-6
Sat, Sep 8 Akron W 20-2
Sat, Sep 15 at Washington W 33-14
Sat, Sep 22 Northwestern W 58-7
Sat, Sep 29 at Minnesota W 30-7
Sat, Oct 6 at (23) Purdue W 23-7
Sat, Oct 13 Kent State W 48-3
Sat, Oct 20 Michigan State W 24-17
Sat, Oct 27 at (24) Penn State W 37-17
Sat, Nov 3 Wisconsin W 38-17
Sat, Nov 10 Illinois L 21-28
Sat, Nov 17 at (23) Michigan W 14-3

Kos13 12-02-2007 01:13 AM

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USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed.

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

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I agree. People write off this USC loss as a fluke and I agree it was a fluke. But it did indeed happen and USC should be punished for it accordingly.

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It is extremely, extremely relevant. But their other loss was to the best team in the nation...in a really close game. They played a tough schedule, and if we had a playoff tomorrow, I'm willing to bet that they'd be the favorites. Is that irrelevant?

Edge34 12-02-2007 01:13 AM

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USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed.

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

But lol at you, who blasts others for using meaningless polls, going back to cite the [censored] preseason polls, the most irrelevant of all rankings.

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LSU lost to unranked Kentucky and Arkansas, that last one at home. Just calling them like I see them.

Yes, Arkansas is worlds better than Stanford. However, LSU was ranked #1 FOR THE SECOND TIME THIS YEAR and blew it IN BATON ROUGE. I count two bad losses to one.

Hornacek 12-02-2007 01:14 AM

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why are people arguing if Ohio State should be in the title game? Jesus Christ there is a 0% chance they AREN'T in the game, so you might as well give it up.

thatpfunk 12-02-2007 01:15 AM

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Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech

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Oregon with Dixon - 1

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Does not compute. Do we take USC's loss to Stanford (a pretty bad team) into account or not? USC lost to a team that is much worse than anyone else in the discussion lost to. This is relevant.

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it was a freak loss: booty was injured and threw 4 int, including a pick6. they lost a fumble. usc outgained stanford 459-235. usc had a pat blocked. usc had a 4th and 1 at the end of 2nd half and got stuffed (they had a 3rd and 6 and ran for 5. they get stuffed they kick a FG to end the half and win the game. so stupid). the game winning drive was a miracle including a 4th and 20 and 4th and 10 FTW. it was set up by a booty int in usc territory. wheee.

and oregon was the best team in the nation. losing by 7 in ore is nothing to be sorry for.

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DVaut1 12-02-2007 01:15 AM

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I count two bad losses to one.

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Huh?

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Arkansas - 21
Kentucky - 23
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Assani Fisher 12-02-2007 01:15 AM

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Please join us in the Washington Huskies victory game thread.

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Clark,

If Washington wins then I'll obviously have no problem with Hawaii not being in the NT game. My argument has a lot more to do with principle than me having a true feeling on Hawaii(and to be completely honest I havn't watched more than 2 or 3 Hawaii games all year).

Edge34 12-02-2007 01:16 AM

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Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech

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Does not compute. Do we take USC's loss to Stanford (a pretty bad team) into account or not? USC lost to a team that is much worse than anyone else in the discussion lost to. This is relevant.

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it was a freak loss: booty was injured and threw 4 int, including a pick6. they lost a fumble. usc outgained stanford 459-235. usc had a pat blocked. usc had a 4th and 1 at the end of 2nd half and got stuffed (they had a 3rd and 6 and ran for 5. they get stuffed they kick a FG to end the half and win the game. so stupid). the game winning drive was a miracle including a 4th and 20 and 4th and 10 FTW. it was set up by a booty int in usc territory. wheee.

and oregon was the best team in the nation. losing by 7 in ore is nothing to be sorry for.

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I'm not from California and I've said this at least 3 times. Expect to be just as ignored as I was.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 01:16 AM

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Their most impressive win is against a 19th ranked team, they are Hawaii light.


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DVaut1 12-02-2007 01:17 AM

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it was a freak loss: booty was injured and threw 4 int, including a pick6. they lost a fumble. usc outgained stanford 459-235. usc had a pat blocked. usc had a 4th and 1 at the end of 2nd half and got stuffed (they had a 3rd and 6 and ran for 5. they get stuffed they kick a FG to end the half and win the game. so stupid). the game winning drive was a miracle including a 4th and 20 and 4th and 10 FTW. it was set up by a booty int in usc territory. wheee.

and oregon was the best team in the nation. losing by 7 in ore is nothing to be sorry for.

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Okay. But Stanford is pretty bad. Even if the loss was terribly fluky, they still lost to a team that is very bad.

DVaut1 12-02-2007 01:18 AM

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I don't think you're being ignored; it's just that even if the loss was fluky doesn't mean you throw it out the window as if it didn't happen.

Edge34 12-02-2007 01:18 AM

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Quoted just in case this 14-point lead isn't enough. The last thing I want as my confidence booster is "hey, we're up! That means Brennan has to throw!"

"Oh, [censored]..."

barryc83 12-02-2007 01:19 AM

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I dont give a crap how much of a luckboxing it took for Stanford to win, they still did it. It did happen. The 1:1,000,000 shot came through.

FlyWf 12-02-2007 01:20 AM

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No, let's sidetrack it. Big Ten was the best in 2005 by Sagarin, significantly. You disagree because OSU got blown out by Florida last year. You are wrong. Sidetrack over.

damaniac 12-02-2007 01:20 AM

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it was a freak loss: booty was injured and threw 4 int, including a pick6. they lost a fumble. usc outgained stanford 459-235. usc had a pat blocked. usc had a 4th and 1 at the end of 2nd half and got stuffed (they had a 3rd and 6 and ran for 5. they get stuffed they kick a FG to end the half and win the game. so stupid). the game winning drive was a miracle including a 4th and 20 and 4th and 10 FTW. it was set up by a booty int in usc territory. wheee.

and oregon was the best team in the nation. losing by 7 in ore is nothing to be sorry for.

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Okay. But Stanford is pretty bad. Even if the loss was terribly fluky, they still lost to a team that is very bad.

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Well how could it NOT be a freak loss? I mean they're a 40 point favorite, you don't lose to a 40 point dog unless 1) vegas and markets generally have suddenly become awful or 2) fluky stuff happens. Okay, it was fluky. But an elite MNC team doesn't lose to a 40 point underdog at home.

Edge34 12-02-2007 01:20 AM

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I don't think you're being ignored; it's just that even if the loss was fluky doesn't mean you throw it out the window as if it didn't happen.

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I will say again, USC therefore has one truly bad loss whereas LSU has two as the supposed #1 team in the nation. I think the #1 ranking means you're viewed as a favorite against everybody you play, and twice the Tigers have failed to step up to the plate. To me, that is not a national championship caliber team.

Kos13 12-02-2007 01:20 AM

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it was a freak loss: booty was injured and threw 4 int, including a pick6. they lost a fumble. usc outgained stanford 459-235. usc had a pat blocked. usc had a 4th and 1 at the end of 2nd half and got stuffed (they had a 3rd and 6 and ran for 5. they get stuffed they kick a FG to end the half and win the game. so stupid). the game winning drive was a miracle including a 4th and 20 and 4th and 10 FTW. it was set up by a booty int in usc territory. wheee.

and oregon was the best team in the nation. losing by 7 in ore is nothing to be sorry for.

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Okay. But Stanford is pretty bad. Even if the loss was terribly fluky, they still lost to a team that is very bad.

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Again, does talent not factor in at all here? Strength of schedule?

Yes, it's a terrible loss. But you're saying they can't get in no matter what because of that? You're basically ignoring their entire resume because of one loss. As bad as it is, you just can't do that.

pwnsall 12-02-2007 01:21 AM

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USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed.

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

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I agree. People write off this USC loss as a fluke and I agree it was a fluke. But it did indeed happen and USC should be punished for it accordingly.

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It is extremely, extremely relevant. But their other loss was to the best team in the nation...in a really close game. They played a tough schedule, and if we had a playoff tomorrow, I'm willing to bet that they'd be the favorites. Is that irrelevant?

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To be fair their non-conference turned out to be really weak and looking back at the scores their only really impressive win is at asu. They played a decent amount of close games and they looked rather meh today imo.

DVaut1 12-02-2007 01:22 AM

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Sagarin Rankings:

Arkansas - 21
Kentucky - 23
Stanford - 82

Who the [censored] considers multiple overtime losses to Top 25 teams "very bad losses" besides USC fans straining for arguments to get them into the title game?

Even if you don't think LSU is a national title caliber team, that doesn't magically erase the loss to Stanford and make USC a national title caliber team.

Kos13 12-02-2007 01:24 AM

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USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed.

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

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I agree. People write off this USC loss as a fluke and I agree it was a fluke. But it did indeed happen and USC should be punished for it accordingly.

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It is extremely, extremely relevant. But their other loss was to the best team in the nation...in a really close game. They played a tough schedule, and if we had a playoff tomorrow, I'm willing to bet that they'd be the favorites. Is that irrelevant?

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To be fair their non-conference turned out to be really weak and looking back at the scores their only really impressive win is at asu. They played a decent amount of close games and they looked rather meh today imo.

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Sagarin has their schedule at #33. That's good.

barryc83 12-02-2007 01:24 AM

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IMO, you take the BCS teams with the best W/L and put them in the game. If there's a tie in W/L, go to SOS. "Prettiness of win" doesnt matter for me. Im the same guy who put Kansas #1 when they were the only BCS team 11-0 before they played Mizzou.

Edge34 12-02-2007 01:24 AM

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

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I agree. People write off this USC loss as a fluke and I agree it was a fluke. But it did indeed happen and USC should be punished for it accordingly.

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It is extremely, extremely relevant. But their other loss was to the best team in the nation...in a really close game. They played a tough schedule, and if we had a playoff tomorrow, I'm willing to bet that they'd be the favorites. Is that irrelevant?

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To be fair their non-conference turned out to be really weak and looking back at the scores their only really impressive win is at asu. They played a decent amount of close games and they looked rather meh today imo.

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Ohio State played Youngstown State, Akron, and Kent State (IN OCTOBER). They played Washington, but we'll see how that turns out.

They also scored a mere 14 points against Michigan, lost at home against Illinois, and "blew out" Northwestern and freaking Minnesota.

I still think USC belongs in the national title game. I haven't decided who I think they should play.

leehrat 12-02-2007 01:25 AM

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Why? Why why why why why?

This argument should include three teams: Oklahoma, USC, and LSU. I can't comprehend how other people think there should be any other options besides those three teams.

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The goal of a season should be to declare an undisputed champ. If Hawaii loses the National title game then whatever team they lost to is the rightful national champ. Every other school would have lost including Hawaii. If Hawaii wins that game, then they've just beaten a tough team(in addittion to already beating a pretty good Boise St team) and they deserve it. Either way, I don't see how thats unfair! Whats unfair is what happened to Boise St last year. Do you not agree that Boise St did not get a fair shake last year in that they were undefeated, beat a solid Oklahoma team, and yet never got a shot at a title? That could happen again this year.

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I'm sorry but this argument is completely idiotic. Hawaii gets the benefit of playing the 3rd softest schedule in the land, and would have NO CHANCE of being anything better than AT BEST 9-3 with a top 30 schedule. AT BEST.

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I just don't get it...

You think Hawaii is just benefitting from a tough schedule. I think they are truly a very good team. I also felt this way about Boise St last year, while I'm not sure of what your views on Boise St were. Now that we disagree here, I don't care about- lets just agree to disagree on this paragraph and not bother debating it. But.....


My solution is to put Hawaii against a top team in the National Title Game. That way we find out if me or you is right.

Your solution is to omit them. That way we may never find out who was right.


HUH????!!! This is what I just don't get- why would you not want to find out how good Hawaii is?

Its a well known fact that going into a season, most teams realize that if they lose one game then theres a chance they may have lost their national title shot. Every team knows this, and this year every team has lost a game(except Hawaii). So no team(except Hawaii) is truly deserving of a title shot and none have a legit beef of being excluded since they knew going in that a loss could mean no title shot.

edited to add: I don't actually think that Hawaii is a top 2 team in the nation. But I'd sure as hell rather find out for sure than to not find out.

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Kos13 12-02-2007 01:25 AM

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Who the [censored] considers multiple overtime losses to Top 25 teams "very bad losses" besides USC fans straining for arguments to get them into the title game?

Even if you don't think LSU is a national title caliber team, that doesn't magically erase the loss to Stanford and make USC a national title caliber team.

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I just want to say: I have no affiliation with USC, and I have never once argued for them over LSU. I will, however, continue to argue for LSU and USC over OU, OSU, and everybody else.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 01:25 AM

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, where'd all the Hawaii people go?

DVaut1 12-02-2007 01:25 AM

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FlyWf 12-02-2007 01:26 AM

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Yes, it's a terrible loss. But you're saying they can't get in no matter what because of that? You're basically ignoring their entire resume because of one loss. As bad as it is, you just can't do that.

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LSU played a harder schedule than USC. The 2 loss team that played the hardest schedule is either LSU or UGA.

USC, of the two loss teams, will probably end up with the 6th best strength of schedule.

pgjcbsn 12-02-2007 01:27 AM

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Boise St sucked last year

a few fluke plays in a game where they were soundly outplayed

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What game were you watching? Boise St was ahead 21 to 10 at halftime and stretched it to 28 to 10 before OU rallied. Total yards for the game was Boise 377 to OU 407. Hardly soundly outplayed.

barryc83 12-02-2007 01:27 AM

Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
 
No, talent doesnt play a factor at all in the polls, or it shouldnt. On the field achievements should matter, not "talent."

Kos13 12-02-2007 01:27 AM

Re: who does tOSU play in the title game?
 
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Again, does talent not factor in at all here? Strength of schedule?

Yes, it's a terrible loss. But you're saying they can't get in no matter what because of that? You're basically ignoring their entire resume because of one loss. As bad as it is, you just can't do that.

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LSU played a harder schedule than USC. The 2 loss team that played the hardest schedule is either LSU or UGA.

USC, of the two loss teams, will probably end up with the 6th best strength of schedule.

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Gah...I have not and will not argue for USC over LSU.

Georgia didn't even make their CC game. They are behind USC for that reason.


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