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Was hoping Iggy would start this, but I'll try top 10.

1.Mizz
2. WV
3.Ohio State
4. VT
5. Georgia
6. USC
7. Oklahoma
8. Kansas
9. LSU
10. Hawaii (or Florida)

I'm iffy on VT being ahead of Georgia, and I'm not sure about how far to drop LSU.

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My Top 10

1. West Virginia
2. Missouri
3. Ohio State
4. USC
5. Virginia Tech
6. Georgia
7. Oklahoma
8. LSU
9. Hawaii
10. Kansas

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1. Missouri
2. West Virginia
3. Ohio State
4. LSU
5. Georgia
6. Oklahoma
7. Virginia Tech
8. Kansas
9. USC
10.Florida

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1. Missouri
2. West Virginia
3. Ohio State
4. Kansas
5. Georgia
6. LSU
7. USC
8. Arizona State
9. Boston College
10. Virginia Tech

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1a. WVU
1b. Mizzou
3. OSU
4. USC
5. UGA
6. LSU
7. Okla
8. Hawaii
9. Va Tech
10. UF

Honorable Mention: KU, BC, UTenn, Northern Iowa

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BC should be ahead of VT IMO

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How are you guys dropping LSU behind teams like USC, Oklahoma, Kansas, and VT? The only teams that should definitely be ahead of LSU right now are Mizzou, Ohio State, and WVU. The only other team that even has an argument is Georgia.

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Meh. LSU is largely a myth IMO. They'd get rolled by Florida right now if they played. They needed two miracles to avoid losing three freaking home games.

Throw em all in a hat. Personally, I think Florida and USC are the two best teams in the country right now, with WVU having an argument. Even tOSU rolled in all their games except the one loss.

Edit: Note, I think the B12 is horrid.

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my blatantly homeristic top 10:

1) ohio state
2-10) some other teams.

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Meh. LSU is largely a myth IMO. They'd get rolled by Florida right now if they played. They needed two miracles to avoid losing three freaking home games.

Throw em all in a hat. Personally, I think Florida and USC are the two best teams in the country right now, with WVU having an argument. Even tOSU rolled in all their games except the one loss.

Edit: Note, I think the B12 is horrid.



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i really dont think any team that loses to stanford has any sort of legitimate claim to being the best team in the nation

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Meh. LSU is largely a myth IMO. They'd get rolled by Florida right now if they played. They needed two miracles to avoid losing three freaking home games.

Throw em all in a hat. Personally, I think Florida and USC are the two best teams in the country right now, with WVU having an argument. Even tOSU rolled in all their games except the one loss.

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i really dont think any team that loses to stanford has any sort of legitimate claim to being the best team in the nation

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Identical types of losses happen in basketball all the time and no one cares.

Fact is that on a neutral field right now, USC is I'm guessing no bigger than a 3pt dog to anyone and favorites against most, including the two top teams right now.

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1. Missouri
2. LSU
3. West Virginia
4. OSU
5. Virginia Tech
6. Kansas
7. Georgia
8. Oklahoma
9. Florida
10. USC
11. Arizona State
12. Illinois
13. Boston College
14. Hawaii
15. Tennessee
16. Clemson
17. Texas
18. Wisconsin
19. Auburn
20. Arkansas

I would put Oregon somewhere in the 17-20 range if they had a QB.

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Clark- Teams lose games they are favored by 40 in all the time in basketball?

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I'm just really hoping Mizzou loses in the Big 12 championship and WVU loses to Pitt so we can possibly sneak an SEC team into the championship game and watch them once again blow out inferior opposition.

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I'm just really hoping Mizzou loses in the Big 12 championship and WVU loses to Pitt so we can possibly sneak an SEC team into the championship game and watch them once again blow out tOSU.

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I'm just really hoping Mizzou loses in the Big 12 championship and WVU loses to Pitt so we can possibly sneak an SEC team into the championship game and watch them once again blow out tOSU so Illinois can go to the Rose Bowl .

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Horrid losses happen all the time.

Off the top of my head, 04-05 UNC, one of the more heralded teams to win it all this decade, lost to Santa Clara by 11. I'm not going to dig up tons of examples, but the fact is that USC is going to win arguably the toughest conference in the country this year, they had huge injury issues, and they'd likely be no more than slight dogs against anyone right now and prob favored against most.

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I'm just really hoping Mizzou loses in the Big 12 championship and WVU loses to Pitt so we can possibly sneak an SEC team into the championship game and watch them once again blow out inferior opposition.

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Are you people doing this just to tilt me personally?
"Once again" as in twice, right? It happened last year in one bowl game. Why didn't the SEC exercise it's magic powers in previous years or in the other bowls? Or, for that matter, why did SEC East champion UT lose to Cal and Alabama?

There is absolutely no reason to believe that SEC teams are systemically underrated.

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I'm just really hoping Mizzou loses in the Big 12 championship and WVU loses to Pitt so we can possibly sneak an SEC team into the championship game and watch them once again blow out inferior opposition.

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Are you people doing this just to tilt me personally?
"Once again" as in twice, right? It happened last year in one bowl game. Why didn't the SEC exercise it's magic powers in previous years or in the other bowls? Or, for that matter, why did SEC East champion UT lose to Cal and Alabama?

There is absolutely no reason to believe that SEC teams are systemically underrated.

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well, bama lost to la-monroe, and you know what they say - there are no easy games in the sun belt.

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Off the top of my head, 04-05 UNC, one of the more heralded teams to win it all this decade, lost to Santa Clara by 11. I'm not going to dig up tons of examples, but the fact is that USC is going to win arguably the toughest conference in the country this year, they had huge injury issues, and they'd likely be no more than slight dogs against anyone right now and prob favored against most.

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I wouldn't think you could compare basketball to football actually.

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I'm going to do this a bit differently focusing on the BCS rankings because at this point that is the main thing that most people care about.

1. Missouri (B12)
2. West Virginia (Big East)
3. Georgia (SEC)
4. Virginia Tech (ACC)
5. USC (P10)
6. Ohio State (B10)
7. Oklahoma (B12)
8. Florida (SEC)
*. LSU (SEC)
9. BC (ACC)
*. Tenn (SEC)
*. Kansas (B12)
10. Hawaii (WAC)
11. Arizona St (P10)
12. Illinois (B10)
*. Texas (B12)
*. Oregon (P10)
*. Virginia (ACC)
13. Clemson (ACC)
*. Wisconsin (Big Ten)



Last week:
1. LSU (SEC)
2. Kansas (B12)
3. West Virginia (Big East)
4. Missouri (B12)
5. Ohio State (B10)
6. Arizona St (P10)
7. Georgia (SEC)
8. Virginia Tech (ACC)
9. Oregon (P10)
*. Oklahoma (B12)
*. USC (P10)
*. Florida (SEC)
*. Texas (B12)
10. BC (ACC)
11. Hawaii (WAC)
*. Virginia (ACC)
12. Illinois (B10)
*. Tenn (SEC)
13. Boise St (WAC)
14. Conn (Big East)

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Horrid losses happen all the time.

Off the top of my head, 04-05 UNC, one of the more heralded teams to win it all this decade, lost to Santa Clara by 11. I'm not going to dig up tons of examples, but the fact is that USC is going to win arguably the toughest conference in the country this year, they had huge injury issues, and they'd likely be no more than slight dogs against anyone right now and prob favored against most.

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As far as Sagarin's Strength of schedule (if I am reading it right)

Florida = 5
Georgia = 22
LSU = 26
USC= 33
Mizz = 34
WV = 35

UCLA (4), Cal (2) and Oregon (7) all have brutal SOS rankings, but USC does not. So while USC does sit in a tough conference, they are a 2-loss team with no worse schedule than some of the teams people are arguing they should be ahead of.

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Fact is that on a neutral field right now, USC is I'm guessing no bigger than a 3pt dog to anyone and favorites against most, including the two top teams right now.

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Favored over the top two? So would Ohio State, Georgia, LSU, Oklahoma, Florida and probably VTech. I think USC would be a dog to all of those teams (except VTech), although probably not by more than 3. That obviously doesn't make them the best team in the country.

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I think USC and Oklahoma are getting nowhere near enough love right now. Those two would be favored over anyone in the country and both have better resumes than LSU. Here's my Top 25:

1. Missouri
2. West Virginia
3. Ohio State
4. USC
5. Oklahoma
6. Kansas
7. LSU
8. Georgia
9. Florida
10. Virginia Tech (where do people get off putting them in the Top 5? They're 0-2 vs. the Top 20 this year)
11. Arizona State
12. Boston College
13. Tennesee
14. South Florida
15. Illinois
16. Hawaii
17. Cincinnati
18. Auburn
19. Oregon
20. Arkansas
21. Texas
22. Texas Tech
23. BYU
24. Wisconsin
25. Clemson

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Coaches Poll:
1. West Virgina (37 1st place, 1467 points)
2. Missouri (17, 1454)
3. Ohio State (6, 1383)
4. Georgia (1232)
5. VTech (1161)
5. Kansas (1161)
7. LSU (1134)
8. OU (1126)

WVU had more 1st place votes, but also more votes at 3rd or lower (compared to Missouri). OSU got 6 first place votes (as opposed to none in the AP), with everyone else pretty much putting them in 3rd. Georgia's a distant 4th with the next four all getting within 35 points of the same total.

Sagarin has his rankings as:
(1) Missouri
(2) West Virginia
(3) Kansas
(4) Virginia Tech
(5) Ohio State
(6) Georgia
(7) Boston College
(8) LSU
(9) Florida
(10) USC

Of course, the "real" Sagarin rankings (which don't just use W/L, have Oklahoma #1. :-)

One more note is that Oklahoma gains nothing in the computer rankings if they beat Missouri. They've already beaten them, so just using W/L, it doesn't help OU at all. Not that they have a chance to win the NC, but still a flaw in the system (as someone else noted earlier in the year).

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Here are the Sagarin SOS numbers with record vs. top 30 in parenthesis

LSU 26 (3-2)
Georgia 22 (3-1)
USC 33 (2-1)
ASU 27 (1-2)
Oklahoma 67 (2-0)
VT 45 (1-2)
BC 41 (2-0)

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One more note is that Oklahoma gains nothing in the computer rankings if they beat Missouri. They've already beaten them, so just using W/L, it doesn't help OU at all. Not that they have a chance to win the NC, but still a flaw in the system (as someone else noted earlier in the year).

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I doubt this is anywhere near as clear-cut as you think it is. The different computer rankings all use different formulas, most of which are kept private. I'm sure it won't help them as much as if they beat Kansas, but it should still be a sizable boost.

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One more note is that Oklahoma gains nothing in the computer rankings if they beat Missouri. They've already beaten them, so just using W/L, it doesn't help OU at all. Not that they have a chance to win the NC, but still a flaw in the system (as someone else noted earlier in the year).

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I doubt this is anywhere near as clear-cut as you think it is. The different computer rankings all use different formulas, most of which are kept private. I'm sure it won't help them as much as if they beat Kansas, but it should still be a sizable boost.

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I don't think so. Most use formulas that compare the actual teams as compared to other teams. For example, they look at their opponents' opponents. That doesn't change with playing Missouri again and winning. Oklahoma>Missouri and that wouldn't change.

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Harris Poll:
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1. Missouri (57) 11-1 2779
2. W. Va (45) 10-1 2753
3. Ohio St (11) 11-1 2638
4. Georgia 10-2 2368
5. LSU 10-2 2215
6. Kansas 11-1 2170
7. Virginia Tech 10-2 2164
8. Oklahoma 10-2 2132
9. USC 9-2 2059
10. Hawaii (1) 11-0 1829
11. Florida 9-3 1757
12. Boston College 10-2 1587
13. Arizona State 9-2 1446
14. Illinois 9-3 1254
15. Tennessee 9-3 1249
16. Wisconsin 9-3 911 </pre><hr />

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lol hawaiiments

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BCS:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...mopyle/bcs.gif

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lol @ LSU being below Virginia Tech.