Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
 

I dont really understand the bet on the river by PAPWARBUCKS anyone explain?

PokerStars Game #13047576760: Hold'em Limit ($200/$400) - 2007/11/04 - 22:01:05 (ET)
Table 'Pax' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: actnjunkie ($2643 in chips)
Seat 2: PapaWarbucks ($16330 in chips)
Seat 3: Baffa ($10800 in chips)
Seat 5: St1ckman ($38587 in chips)
PapaWarbucks: posts small blind $100
Baffa: posts big blind $200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
St1ckman: folds
actnjunkie: raises $200 to $400
PapaWarbucks: raises $200 to $600
Baffa: folds
actnjunkie: calls $200
*** FLOP *** [Td 4s 5s]
PapaWarbucks: bets $200
actnjunkie: calls $200
*** TURN *** [Td 4s 5s] [5c]
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
actnjunkie: calls $400
*** RIVER *** [Td 4s 5s 5c] [2d]
PapaWarbucks: bets $400
actnjunkie: calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PapaWarbucks: shows [Ac 7d] (a pair of Fives)
actnjunkie: shows [4h Ah] (two pair, Fives and Fours)
actnjunkie collected $3395 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3400 | Rake $5
Board [Td 4s 5s 5c 2d]
Seat 1: actnjunkie (button) showed [4h Ah] and won ($3395) with two pair, Fives and Fours
Seat 2: PapaWarbucks (small blind) showed [Ac 7d] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 3: Baffa (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: St1ckman folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
 

I think he is trying to value bet is A7high [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
 

But I cant imagine a worse hand calling/ better hand folding... esp. with that board, he beats no other ace high cept A6

Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
 

hes definitely "value betting". he will sometimes get called by KQ/KJ type hands. Maybe something like A6.

It is a spot where he isnt gonna check fold, so its either check to induce a bluff... or just bet.

he decided just to bet. that is my guess, but he thinks im a fish so maybe im wrong.

Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
 

I would think c/c in this situation would be more ev than betting, oh well, just was curious.

Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
 

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I would think c/c in this situation would be more ev than betting, oh well, just was curious.

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people dont like to fold in higher stakes limit holdem games under any circumstances

Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
 

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I would think c/c in this situation would be more ev than betting, oh well, just was curious.

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people dont like to fold in higher stakes limit holdem games under any circumstances

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damn! I thought that is where i needed to go for people to respect my raises

Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
 

It was definitely a valuebet.

Re: Observer Q about Papawarbucks hand 200/400
 

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It was definitely a valuebet.

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already knew that, but why did you think betting had more value than inducing.

because it looked like he had exactly KQ/KJ type hands?

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It was definitely a valuebet.

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already knew that, but why did you think betting had more value than inducing.

because it looked like he had exactly KQ/KJ type hands?

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I'm not inducing versus any hand she has that made it to the river. Any crappy flush draws by her would've always got raised on the flop or turn, and likewise the straight draws would've too. Her preflop/flop/turn actions allow me to pretty easily narrow her hand range to almost exactly K high or ace high or pair of fours, and her K high will check the river because it will look like to her that I am either checking to induce (as you suggest I do), or that I have Q or J high and am giving up (and therefore folding). If she could have more hands on the river that are capable of being worse than mine and betting, inducing has more of an argument. Specifically against her though, I think it's a pretty big mistake to check the river unless you're doing so with the intent of folding (but I don't like folding).