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Rodolphe 10-24-2007 05:33 AM

16$ : AK early
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP2 (t1480)
MP3 (t1540)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1500)
Hero (t1480)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1530)
MP1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t100, MP3 calls t100, CO folds.

Flop: (t400) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t280</font>, MP2 calls t280, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t960) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1080 (All-In)</font>, MP2 calls t1080 (All-In).

River: (t3120) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3120

Niggel 10-24-2007 05:35 AM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
I will often give up on the turn without a good read on villian.

RexWoo 10-24-2007 05:58 AM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
I might not bet the flop vs 2 players.

I c/f the turn.

Daleroxxu 10-24-2007 06:29 AM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
i prob wouldnt c-bet OOP vs 2 players either, i might lead the turn if its a safe card and the flop was checked.

as played c/f turn

Scotty_12 10-24-2007 07:14 AM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
I dont think I would cbet this flop either, especially w/o A or K of clubs.

Webster 10-24-2007 07:22 AM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
Well - I have now lost my last 7 AK's and three of them to AA so take this as a guy about to tilt.

I give up AK if I don't hit. I would not bet then SO much pre flop - maybe 90? save a little if you don't hit and if you do hit you will have more players with you to push.

I'm ABOUT to fold them pre flop actually LOL

Honestly - AK has me spooked at the moment.

Daleroxxu 10-24-2007 07:40 AM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
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I would not bet then SO much pre flop - maybe 90?

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Raising to 90 after 3 limpers would be disgusting.
You have to raise the same amount you would with any hand in your raising range or you will be predictable. Most of what you're raising there in level 1 are big pairs and you wouldnt raise to 90 after 3 limpers with a big pair because you're just giving implied odds for people to set mine you.

Standard raise lvl 1 is 4xBB/5xBB (80/100) plus 1 BB for every limper.

Webster 10-24-2007 07:57 AM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
Daleroxxu - you are right - missed the three limper's - too early - no coffee!! nice catch! :-)

vers 10-24-2007 11:19 AM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
check flop, maybe bet a dry turn if flop is checked around.

jaydreb 10-24-2007 11:41 AM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
Preflop - Fine

Flop - Fine to c-bet on ragged board. Check-folding is OK too.

Turn - Spew. Just check/fold.

kylephilly 10-24-2007 05:01 PM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
grunch*

Your preflop raise is too small.

I raise either alot preflop (~200) or more likely I just call with these guys and try to flop big. The size of your bet is not getting anyone to fold preflop and all you are doing is building a pot OOP.

Once you miss the flop, you have no hand, let it go you're OOP.

The Venetian 10-24-2007 05:24 PM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
I just complete from the SB here. All your postflop is spew.

Snowplow 10-24-2007 06:01 PM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
I would just call pre-flop about half or more of the time, and rarely c-bet OOP into two people. Then give up. This early in the tournament it is bad to go all the way with AK.

drzen 10-24-2007 11:25 PM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I would not bet then SO much pre flop - maybe 90?

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Raising to 90 after 3 limpers would be disgusting.
You have to raise the same amount you would with any hand in your raising range or you will be predictable.

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This is only ever a problem against people who are both:
a/ regulars you have often played with
b/ paying attention

The bigger problem is that donks realise you're tight, and put you on AK every [censored] time anyway.

drzen 10-24-2007 11:30 PM

Re: 16$ : AK early
 
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Preflop - Fine

Flop - Fine to c-bet on ragged board. Check-folding is OK too.

Turn - Spew. Just check/fold.

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It cannot be fine to cbet this flop and then checkfold the turn. You'll get called *a lot* on that flop, because *everyone* stabs at a paired flop, and this one has a twoflush too. And you're just giving it away every time you don't hit your six outs? No way is that good.


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