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vizer02 11-08-2007 04:10 PM

NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
First, I'll ask about what to do on the turn. After a little while, I'll post what I did and ask about the river.

The villain is AAPokerGirl, he's 21/4/2 over 10,000+ hands. He's a tricky player that is capable of flatting hands like J's - A's preflop, and on the flop would probably flat with A,Q K,Q and J,Q as well as flush draws and straight draws. He's also probably not going away on the turn with these hands, and if I check he'll be firing any two cards. Edit: He's also one who would flat the flop with a set or K's and A's and would be raising the turn with them. I'm running at 16/10/3 for the session.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com Hand History Converter

SB: $268.30
BB: $170.40
Hero (UTG): $100
UTG+1: $96.50
UTG+2: $87.50
MP1: $65
MP2: $114.85
CO: $100
BTN: $219.10

Pre-Flop: 6s 6c dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $3.50, 5 folds, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) Qd 4s 3s (2 Players)
Hero bets $7, BTN calls $7

Turn: ($22.50) 5c (2 Players)
Hero ??

Kinslayer44 11-08-2007 04:20 PM

Re: NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
I think i'd crai this turn, he'll probably fold his 1 pair hands, and if he does call you have 10 outs most likely.

AlexB182 11-08-2007 04:37 PM

Re: NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
Medium PPs suck so much in spots like this, drawy board, an overcard that could've easily hit villain, OOP. I think most of the time I would check with the intention of calling a reasonable bet. If a 2, 7 or third 6 comes off your hand is very nicely disguised so that you could either donk the river or even maybe get tricky and check it to villain again. A 2 might even make him a smaller straight (if he really has like AQ or slowplays AA) and he would def bet that on the river for value.
crai is not my preferred move but I admit it has some advantages. Keep in mind though that you are a huge dog against pretty much every hand in case you got called:

5,958,678 games 3.375 secs 1,765,534 games/sec

Board: Qd 4s 3s 5c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.725% 22.72% 00.00% 1354085 0.00 { 6c6s }
Hand 1: 77.275% 77.28% 00.00% 4604593 0.00 { AdQc }

P.S.:Vizer, what's your SN on FT? PM me if you don't want to make it public...

Grinding2Ecstasy 11-08-2007 05:01 PM

Re: NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
i think I like firing again on the turn, fold to a huge raise, call a small one?

ship_it_trebek 11-08-2007 05:18 PM

Re: NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
Firing this turn is essential, however I've seen this opponent (over~1k hands) stack off pretty light before (eg. weaker one pair hands) I don't like giving up the hand here, and I think 15 will show where you are at. We can't call a small raise here because any raise from this opponent usually means we are surely beat especially due to the tendency to play a little too tricky preflop IMO. However I've seen him flat preflop AA, then c/c flop and turn. Although since you have more hands on him than me you might have history with him. Still I b/f for 15. I don't like facing a blank river if he calls though we probably have to give up.

vizer02 11-08-2007 06:53 PM

Re: NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
Alex...My sn on Full Tilt is creatively...vizer02. I like the crai idea, and am not a big fan of check calling on the turn. Although by betting, if I get raised I'm screwed.

Okay, so here's what I did on the turn, now what? If I bet again he probably folds all 1 pair hands and missed draws, if I check he could value bet an overpair, A,Q or bluff with a missed draw.

Turn: ($22.50) 5c (2 Players)
Hero bets $17, BTN calls $17

River: ($56.50) 6h (2 Players)
Hero ???

Ctrl.Dominate 11-08-2007 07:01 PM

Re: NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
Check call the turn. If you bet he is going to blow you off of your hand with a raise. The hands he will raise with are the ones you want to be drawing against.

The Rat Pack 11-08-2007 07:08 PM

Re: NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
Vizer,

I like the CRAI play on the turn. If he was floating the flop he will likely bluff and you will take it easily with the shove. In addition, JJ, 1010, 99 will also likely bet the turn after it being check and they would also fold to a shove. If he checks you get a free card which is fine. c/c i see as a crappy play b/c if you hit the river then what do you do, as I dont see you getting paid off to often if you lead the river after check calling turn.

As played, I would value bet this river and call a push. Say bet about $$25 to $30 on river.

inverted 11-08-2007 07:56 PM

Re: NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
check calling the turn is a terrible idea, you will have no idea what his hand range is if he checks/bets into you. Assuming he does bet the turn with ATC when you call you could have atmost 6 outs. Dependant on the fold equity you think you have on the turn I would either c/r or bet/fold.

As played when you get to the river here I think you check raise if he is likely to bet a missed flush, or you bet if he isn't. Most of his range that he gets to the turn with KQ, AQ and maybe QJ, AA, KK bet the river/call a bet. I can't see him calling a raise with those hands so if he folds the flush you betting atleast allows you to size the bet. I think bet sizing should be atleast $33, it is a $55 pot.

ship_it_trebek 11-08-2007 10:00 PM

Re: NL100- What\'s my action with pocket sixes postflop?
 
Against AAPokerGirl....I'm checking the river, You will get more value out of his stab with perhaps an overpair, or some weaker hand (idk if he bets busted draws here) than if you bet here. Triple barreling is pretty strong here, and I think you will fold out hands he will bet with on the river if checked to.


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